Stellar Manipulation again..

[Wolfman77]

douglas said:
Nebula systems in randomly generated maps in stock and just about every mod are completely empty. Get rid of the nebula, and there'll be nothing left but warp points. You can create a star and build a ringworld/sphereworld around it, but that's all.

I have found Homeworlds in nebula systems, and even in Black hole systems, if I use a small quadrant size, and more often using ancient quadrant type, and add all 20 players. But generally destroying nebula only reduces hiding spaces, although you can usualy see through them by the time you can destroy them. I was going to test something, but maybe someone here already knows: can you create a star without first destroying the nebula?

[Xrati]

Wolfman77 : "Can you create a star without first destroying the nebula?"

Yes you can. I've done it in games where I started getting bored as the game was almost over. Other than a hidden planet (ring/sphereworld) in a nebula, what would you want a sun in a nebula for? By the time you get to that tech your sensor ratings can see through the nebula.

[Wolfman77]

Thanks. I thought I read somewhere on here that the red nebulas are at level 5 Obscuration, could be wrong though. I tried it last night and it said I could not create it with a nebula in the system. The reason I was asking though was ragnarok said his nebula destroyers were useless. If you want ringworlds in a system and have to destry the nebula to buils a star then that is one thing they are good for.

Destry nebula
Create star
Build world

If you were able to do it though, I wonder if there are some you can and some you can't. I'll have to test all kinds of nebula I guess.

[Xrati]

In using the map editor, which is what generates the maps in the game, I have not seen a nebula with a sight modifier of more than 3 on any generated maps that I've used.

I may have been wrong, but I could swear in one game that I was able to create a sun in a nebula. Now you've got me thinking, so I'm off to start the game and see!

[Alneyan]

I don't *think* you can create Suns in nebulas without removing the nebula first, if I recall correctly. It doesn't make a lot of sense, as the sun would effectively be hidden from view, so the game probably requires the nebula to be gone first.

In the stock game, red nebulas give cloaking level 5, so it's effectively invisibility until the nebula is removed (mines have the same cloaking level). The lowest level is 3, and that's the level of created nebulas as well.

[Arkcon]

Also, I don't think nebula's hide stars, warp points, and planets. It's like they're "on the top layer of the image" as it were. In FQM, the nebula system with planets has random storms covering all objects. You need the right level of sensors to see what's underneath, but you know something is there.

[Alneyan]

Indeed, nebulas don't hide stellar objects; I got confused with Geo's map where you start with a peculiar ship mining an invisible planet, and somehow thought the planet was hidden because of the nebula.