War.... (Historical: 9/11 discussion thread)

Joss21 · #1 September 12th, 2001, 01:04 AM

You may be right, Lazarus..

But this doesn�t help to the image of magnanimous gentlemens you like to believe you are...

Don�t take me wrong... I would like to do the same if I were US citizen.
I just don�t like americans that says "i�m full of morality" "we are the good guys" "we are the policeman of the world" and then when someone hits them react like an angry teenager, "you hurt my interests, then i will destrou you".

Just what i think....
Bush just should wait until there is enough certainty of say, palestine have to do with it, and just then level-off the country.

But now, just sound like the government just tried to change the news banners of "USA under attack" for "USA counterattacks" just to calm down people.

I�m in Argentina, and i know this situation will hurt all the world economy, including our "third world" developing countries.

I just doesn�t share what you are doing.

Joss21 · #2 September 12th, 2001, 01:13 AM

I totally concord with Natsef-Amun

His toughts are very insightful.

Its very visible for us non-americans that the average american citizen dont have idea of the rest of the world around they is doing...

LazarusLong42 · #3 September 12th, 2001, 02:07 AM

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Originally posted by Joss21:
I just don�t like americans that says "i�m full of morality" "we are the good guys" "we are the policeman of the world" and then when someone hits them react like an angry teenager, "you hurt my interests, then i will destrou you".

A few things:

1. As I said, we're not bombing anyone yet. Remember that Afghanistan is undergoing a civil war still. As far as anyone can tell right now, they're bombing themselves (or each other, as the case may be called).

2. What do the police and the good guys do in movies, guys? As soon as the bad guys do somethign evil... they go after them. Bombing Afghanistan--if bin Laden and/or the Taliban are, in fact, the culprits--is a proportional, direct, and correct response.

Note: That's _if_ they're culpable. Also, I don't believe the Palestinians are culpable here--there've been no signs they are. They're just celebrating it.

LL

Puke · #4 September 12th, 2001, 02:11 AM

While I am in agreement with Natsef-Amun as well, I think that some of the basics about human nature are being overlooked.

Idealy, it would be very nice indeed to look at each person as an individual and make judgements accordingly. This is not always practical though. I think it is perticularly poignent that the EU is in the process for apologozing for imperalism, when it is the absense of imperalism that empowers decentralized forces to commit acts like this.

When world powers can be attacked without any nation taking responsibility, how can there be reprisal? Without reperations, how can there be a return to order without a threat of recurrance? So it is logical for people to dislike and blame those Groups whom express hatred for your own political ideas and culture. And it is unfortunate that innocent individuals get lumped into those Groups.

In general, US forign policy benefits the US people. If not the people, then it benefits US industry or commerce, which in turn benefits our people. It is a blanket generization (which you just got done condenming) to say that the average US citizen is ignorant of the impact of our forign policy. We are not ignorant, we merely support what anti-globalists call American-Imperialism. We know full well our policies are disrupting the well being of others, but at the same time they benefit our alies, and in turn benefit us.

Puke · #5 September 12th, 2001, 02:15 AM

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Originally posted by LazarusLong42:
Note: That's _if_ they're culpable. Also, I don't believe the Palestinians are culpable here--there've been no signs they are. They're just celebrating it.

LL

No kidding. I might not like them, but we screwed them over, and if I were them, Id be celebrating too. Its pretty darn silly to think they had anything to do with it. If they had that kind of resources, you think they would hit Israel.

Puke · #6 September 12th, 2001, 02:55 AM

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Originally posted by Hadrian Aventine:
Those were not knifes. They was most likely islamic swords, the name escapes me

quote:
Ted Olson told CNN that his wife said all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers. The only weapons she mentioned were knives and cardboard cutters.

sorry for the multiple Posts, but: swords my ***. how the hell is someone going to get a sword past airport security? even on a domestic flight. I get enough crap about the EYELETS on my BOOTS. we're a nation of fat, spineless, sheep. I would have at least given them enough credit to have used shanks the size of a shoe sole, but BOX CUTTERS?! give me a break!

as a side note, would that not really screw with the weight distribution of the plane to put all those people in the back? (especially if they are fat americans?) didnt some female pop singer just die on takeoff because her pilot didnt properly distribute the load of the aircraft?

disabled · #7 September 12th, 2001, 03:27 AM

I'm stunned at the failure of airport security.

I'm equally stunned at the fact we didn't see this coming.

I know that congress will hold joint session in the morning with any luck. Then we shall see if the Federal Union will previal.

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