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Old September 14th, 2001, 01:58 AM
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Wasn't it the US that created this monster Bin Laden in the first place?
Back when he was fighting the Soviet empire it was allright for him to murder, he got CIA training and support to do so.
I beleive you are confusing Asami Bin Laden with the Afgan rebels. Bin Laden had nothing to do that I have ever heard with the Afgan strugle against the former Soviet occupation. He is a Saudi Arabian and a religous zealot who caused lots of trouble in his home country and only went to Afganistan after similarly like minded religous zealots took over that country. That's the only place he could find that he could operate without fear of being returned to Saudi Arabia or America and facing justice. He is a coward, and a power monger.

I am so sick and tired of being told the U.S. can't do this or that because of "terrible" things we did in the past.

Logic like that would have kept us out of WWI and WWII.

"So what if Japan bombed Pearl Harbor? They only attacked military targets that were a threat to their interests. And Hawaii was "conqured" by the US anyway."

"So what if Germany was conquering all of Europe, twice? How is that different than what we did to the Indians?"

TOUGH! This IS different.

The rules have changed, and NOT simply because this attack took place on U.S. soil. It was naive for any of us to think that terrorism would never strike our country, especially since we live in such a free and open soceity.

But this changes the rules by the sheer scale and audacity of the attack. And by the level of training and support that would have been needed to pull this off.

I keep hearing on the news that "This is the worst terrorist attack in American history." And it makes me want to scream. This is the worst terroist attack in the history of the world.

This is not only an attack on the United States. Even though the targets were in the U.S. This was the WORLD Trade Center. Many foreign nationals undoubtedly lost their lives on Tuesday.

Every country in the world today must be saying "There but for the grace of God go I."

This is not a war between America against Afganistan.

This is a war between every civilized nation in the world, and any organization that would perpatrate such actions. And against any country that would aid and shelter any such organization.

If the Taliban government wants to avoid the bombs, they can turn over those responsible at once. I am sure things would go much better for them if they do. But they won't. Because even if they didn't "know" the extreme nature of this attack, they knew the Bin Laden was planning, and had taken actions against us in the past, and they didn't stop him or turn him over then. They are not innocent. They are not even appologetic.

They issued threats on Wedsnday that any attacks against them could cause anger and result in further suicide attaks. That sounds sorry to you? Check it out.

The rules have changed. We didn't change them. But we are going to find those responsible, and make them pay. And the rest of the world will owe us another debt of gratitude for doing it when it's all over. And you know what? I really don't care who likes it or doesn't like it.

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Is this really what you Americans believe? That the rest of the world owes you a favour because you (eventually) took part in the World Wars? You don't think 50 years of economic supremacy and the assimilation of half the planet into your mindset and culture is reward enough? Someone please tell me he's the only one...

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[quote]I beleive you are confusing Asami Bin Laden with the Afgan rebels. Bin Laden had nothing to do that I have ever heard with the Afgan strugle against the former Soviet occupation.
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Sorry, I am not confused.
Was afraid I was for a minute but here's a recent article on Bin Laden. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...3/214858.shtml

And one from the Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Ar...095663,00.html


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Sorry, I am not confused.
Was afraid I was for a minute but here's a recent article on Bin Laden.



I stand corrected. I was not aware of that. But it does not change the fact that he must be dealt with.

If you own and raise a vicious dog, and one day the dog attacks and kill your children, then you in fact hold much of the ultimate responsibilty. But do you simply fall on the floor and wail "What have I done to my children?" or do you get your gun, and shoot the dog?

I have no doubt that ultimatley this will have serious repurcussions within the our government and our intelligence agencies.

I am sorry dogscoff if I have offended you. I am very angry. We are all very angry. But I am not the only American that feels this way. And many non-Americans feel this way as well.

I cannot believe you would rather have lived these Last 50 years under the oppression of the Axis powers.

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To all of you, especially those from other countries.

I appologize for allowing my anger and my fear for seeping into my Last few Posts. I know many of you live in coutries where these kinds of things are more expected. But the fact is that here, they are not.

Or were not. We Americans have been changed in the Last few days. I hope for the better, but I do not know that for sure. Hopefully our leaders can remain calm in these trying times and only do what is right.

I will try to keep my further Posts here limited to Space Empires.

And I will try to get a hold of myself.

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At least the trains would run on time... (Rather than crash into one another because the shareholders don't want to pay for safety technology)
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Of course I wouldn't, but the US did not win the war on it's own. The European powers fought bravely and suffered hugely because they were defending their homelands.

Credit to the US for coming all the way across the Atlantic to fight an enemy which wasn't a direct or immediate threat, but to take all the credit and say that the world owes you a debt of gratitude for that is absurd. US interests were served well enough by involvement in the European wars, and besides, what about the Canadians who also lost bomber crews and troops? What about the Australians? The Kiwis?

I don't condone Tuesday's actions, of course I don't, but it's very easy for me to see how so much anti- US sentiment could exist.

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Is this really what you Americans believe? That the rest of the world owes you a favour because you (eventually) took part in the World Wars? You don't think 50 years of economic supremacy and the assimilation of half the planet into your mindset and culture is reward enough? Someone please tell me he's the only one...




We're not asking for a favor, we just don't like being kicked while we are down. It is not fun to have thousands of your people die and then have people give reasons for why we are so horrible that we shouldn't do anything about it.
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