War.... (Historical: 9/11 discussion thread)

[Andrés]

Although I didn’t make any post here I’ve been reading this thread with interest.

Certainly this is a sad time for Americans, especially for those who could have lost anyone. I hope no one from this forum.
And I agree that something like this should have never happened and those responsible must be punished.

I admire your passionate patriotic reaction. That’s something I something I don’t think would happen in my country. I think it’s because our former military dictatorship government used patriotism to manipulate and control people and made so many atrocities in the name of the country, that now patriotism is seen as agreeing with all that.

That said I must say I agree with most non-americans here.
If something good can come from this is that we can discuss this
Americans are not as good as they believe they are, but that doesn’t make them necessary evil.
I hope you could understand that from some people’s point of view fighting for freedom could be fighting against american oppression.
History is written by the winners. They always forget their own defects and demonize the losers. The truth is that wars are fought by human beings, in every war both sides make terrible things.


I do not fear more terrorism attacks in the near future.
The plane crash strategy will certainly not work again without the surprise factor.

I empathize with your desire of revenge, but that doesn’t solve anything. Only thing you will do is create more anti-american feelings.
I hope that mentions of war were figurative, to appease angry people, meaning strong precautions against future terrorism and do not lead to an unnecessary massacre in any arab country.

A few thoughts and opinions,

Andrés

[Quikngruvn]

It was "The Star-Spangled Banner".

As a jaded, cynical, elitist American, I must say I'm heartened at the support that the rest of the world has shown for the US, both here and from what I see on the news. I can only hope it can be sustained.

At Last count, besides NATO, the countries I know of that have pledged support to the US include Israel (naturally), Russia, Qatar, Oman, Kuwait, Uzbekistan, and Pakistan. Apparently the Taliban have ticked some people off.

I feel for the populace of Afghanistan. Because of the actions of a (relatively) few, they will more than likely suffer a great deal. Iraq also.

War, to me, seems inevitable. Just not one which we've ever seen. I've taken this point of view: the US is going after criminals, arguably war criminals or criminals against humanity. Nations that help (or at least tolerate) their cause are considered to be harboring fugitives. We just happen to be bringing nearly our whole arsenal with us....

To those who hold the US in contempt, all I can say is, OK. I can sympathize, but I won't pretend to understand your point of view. Not without walking a mile or several in your shoes, anyway. Just don't hurt or kill any of us, lest we get pissed off.

BTW, Last night, one of the local TV channels ran a telethon for the Red Cross. In ten hours they had raised almost $300,000 to assist the victims in New York and Washington.

Quikngruvn

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[Askan Nightbringer]

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Originally posted by Quikngruvn:


I feel for the populace of Afghanistan. Because of the actions of a (relatively) few, they will more than likely suffer a great deal. Iraq also.

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Ugh.
Isn't that what is happening now in the US?
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth is just going to leave the world with alot of blind, hungry people.

I don't want my country to get dragged into a war (and my pathetic excuse of a leader will be there lapping at George W's feet). I want the US to lead by example. To act with good sense and not get alot of innocent people killed because alot of innocent people were killed.

Is that too much to ask?

Askan

[dogscoff]

EDIT. - Unnecessary post all but removed.

*Dogscoff wanders off in search of somewhere to sleep.

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[Kimball]

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Originally posted by Puke:
isnt it the same tune as "god save the queen?"

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I thought that was God Bless America. However as I speak 6:00 am CDT, they are singing our National Anthem in England at St. Paul's Cathedral (I think, it is the same place where Diana's funeral was). So, you may be right, Puke, but watch CSPAN2 later today.

[Kimball]

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Originally posted by Puke:
isnt it the same tune as "god save the queen?"

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The Americanized tune is "My Country tis of Thee" So, they really were playing the National Anthem...I knew I wasn't nuts

[Mephisto]

Sorry, dogscoff, I didn't know that you already where quoting/replaying to me otherwise I would not have deleted my mail.
Right after my post I saw a comment that this comment was aired 25 years ago and as I didn't wanted to piss people off I did delete my post.