Semi-OT: A General Tech Question Thread for me :)

Starhawk · #1 September 24th, 2005, 01:02 PM

Or it would not have any time dialation effects at all and you would just happen to get someplace else at the same time you left which is an interesting theory

Imagine that "Ladies and gentlemen we are leaving at 12:01pm September 24 and proceeding 50 light years the trip will take x amount of time)

Say a week later "Ladies and gentlemen welcome to destination B 50 light years away, the time is 12:01 september 24th thank you for flying paradox air."

Possible

Suicide Junkie · #2 September 24th, 2005, 02:12 PM

I like the Fedex suborbital option.
Pickup by 8am in New York, Delivery in Japan by 5pm the Previous Day.

Starhawk · #3 September 24th, 2005, 03:13 PM

Well as a wise man once said "Time is Relative"

douglas · #4 September 26th, 2005, 05:36 PM

Did that model take into account the possibility of multiple independent colony efforts going to the same stars, or was it assumed that it would all start with one master plan of chains of colonization that all colonies would have uncorrupted versions of? There's also the matter of how many colony ships would actually find livable planets to colonize at their destinations.

Wolfman77 · #5 September 26th, 2005, 05:44 PM

Here is one site I found that talks about it.

http://www.ibiblio.org/astrobiology/...?page=future05

It assumes 25% light speed and done in under 100 million years. Also assumes a few other things.

Alneyan · #6 September 26th, 2005, 05:55 PM

Speaking of contact, aliens and the like: are we currently ready to detect alien spacecraft in our vicinity, or could they slip past us unnoticed?

Consider that such a ship enters our system tomorrow, and uses technology comparable to ours (and within the boundaries of science as we know it): do we have the technology to (indirectly) detect that something is amiss? If so, is this technology currently used?

Oh, and just for kicks: am I right in thinking we would be hard to detect ourselves? SETI would be a clear give-away, if someone else was doing the same thing, and our satellites might allow detection; is our activity on Earth detectable without going up close?

El_Phil · #7 September 24th, 2005, 08:18 PM

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Starhawk said:
Or it would not have any time dialation effects at all and you would just happen to get someplace else at the same time you left which is an interesting theory

Imagine that "Ladies and gentlemen we are leaving at 12:01pm September 24 and proceeding 50 light years the trip will take x amount of time)

Say a week later "Ladies and gentlemen welcome to destination B 50 light years away, the time is 12:01 september 24th thank you for flying paradox air."

Possible

My official position: Temporal Mechanics is very very bad for the health and should never be dabbled in more than necessary.

However time does slow down as you go faster in exact accordance with relativity. Hell, even at Mach 2 the effect is mesaurable. Take two atomic clocks, synchronsie them and stick one on a concorde. Compare the two when they land and you will find that the land based one is ahead.

As for FTL, you have asked for explanations, so here they are (but simplified, of course

). You cannot go FTL in a universe that has causality and relativity. Causality is simply cause and effect, something has to make something happen. Relativity is time slowing down, and eventually reversing, as you approach then pass light speed. If you can go faster than light, you can go back in time. If you've traveled in time you muck up causality hugely in a variety of, hopefully, obvious ways.

Starhawk · #8 September 24th, 2005, 08:56 PM

Well there is one flaw in your theory and that is that The Concorde fleet is grounded bwahahahaha I just defied physics . lol j/k

Seriously though I definately understand the whole atomic clock deal I'm just sayin' lord knows what else might effect this thing other then "time dialation" yah know? At least as we think of it. Not saying your wrong obviously but that whole "time and space" area of science is as you said best avoided for the sake of human sanity and health lol

Well good thing about the "FTL" in my story (even when and if I can get good enough to write a book, all I'd need is an editor like most authors

) is that it's "warp points" (name to change trust me) which are actual "folds" in space which don't actually make you go FTL so much as temporarily exist in two places at once and then fully "materialize" in the new place. Unfortunately this has rather bad effects on human orientation leaving earlier generations with "jump shock". Though as stated with my newer chapters the newer generations of GFGs are better able to compensate for this and thus little to no jump shock.

El_Phil · #9 September 25th, 2005, 10:09 AM

In comparison to breaking cause and effect I think we can safely say every other possible problem is minor.

Starhawk · #10 September 25th, 2005, 10:12 AM

Really I've heard that fold space is actually a simpler proposition compared to "warp" and "FTL" speeds, for that matter the Bab 5 and HH "Hyperspace" might be an even more accurate form of what FTL may look like in the future if we ever get it.

Oh and El_Phil as far as internal gravity goes I've read up on some stuff and other folks think that all it would take to get internal gravity is to have a "hyper dense" alloy or material located at the bottom of the ship to create a "pull". What is your opinion on this please