OT: Enterprise...What did you think?

[geoschmo]

Baal, that is so out of chacter coming from you I am almost tempted to say someone got a hold of your password. I suggest you tone it down immediately. I expect Richard to come down on you quite harshly if you don't. He might even if you do. Your post was that out of line.

Feel free to disagree, but keep it mature, or keep it to yourself.

Geoschmo

[Baron Munchausen]

Baal:

Sorry, but people in this culture do nasty things like remember details, and compare and contrast shows with one another. It's pop culture, not religion. Although, FYI, I feel I have the right to discuss, compare, and criticize religions, too. (I would keep that to approriate forums, of course.) If you don't like disagreement and criticism then maybe you should move to Iran or Afghanistan. You will find everyone properly respectful of every sort of authority there, because they get murdered if they aren't. I hope you are ready to convert to the appropriate fundamentalist sect of Islam.

I don't know why you've got such a burr up your arse over a tv show, but there's absolutely nothing you can do to stop the discussion. Everyone has a right to have an opinon, unless their opinion involves depriving others of their right to an opinion. It's call pluralism. If you can't live with that in regard to this tv show, you'd best not click on this thread anymore. So if you won't take a humorous suggestion then take a direct warning: GO AWAY. If you continue abusing everyone who dares to touch your holy tv show then you will soon be joining our friend LCC in the outer darkness.


[This message has been edited by Baron Munchausen (edited 01 October 2001).]

[Suicide Junkie]

Baron & Baal: Please take a second look through this thread, find where it went wrong and then read your post before that one.
I think that you, Baron were taking the situation too lightly, and you, Baal took it much too seriously, and exploded.

You've got to give people the chance to apologise for something that offends you, and not post while you're still furious.
For what its worth, I have been in that situation myself, and it was only a network error stopped me from flaming. Typing a message over again can give you time to think about what you're doing.

You two should seroiusly consider editing down your Posts, and translating them into civil english.

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Geoschmo: You've got the first post, and have the power to remove this thread if/when you feel it is appropriate. Choose wisely.

[raynor]

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... warp 5 is 214 times the speed of light.

How about warp 9.9999 equals 199,516 times the speed of light.

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If I remember correctly, you cube the Warp Factor to arrive at the speed. So, warp 5 is 5 * 5 * 5 = 125 times the speed of light. If you recall from the Voyager episodes, they were 70,000 light years from home or at least 70 years from home if they were able to achieve warp 10 which would be 10 * 10 * 10 = 1000 times the speed of light.

[geoschmo]

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Originally posted by raynor:
If I remember correctly, you cube the Warp Factor to arrive at the speed. So, warp 5 is 5 * 5 * 5 = 125 times the speed of light. If you recall from the Voyager episodes, they were 70,000 light years from home or at least 70 years from home if they were able to achieve warp 10 which would be 10 * 10 * 10 = 1000 times the speed of light.

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You are correct, and incorrect.

As stated before there is no single warp scale. Your cubing formula acheives a correct distance for Voyager, but if applied to "Enterprise" it would mean the Klingon home world was a little over 1 light year from earth. The closest star system to Sol is Alpha Centauri and it's over 4 light years away.

You pretty much just have to accept that the warp scale varies from series to series, and sometimes between episodes in the same series.

You could try to calculate some non-linear, non-logarithmic scale, for warp. It would require a table instead of a formula. But even then I am sure a thourough survey would find examples where the same warp number translated into different speeds.

Geoschmo

[Mephisto]

Ok guys, right out of the tech manual for the Enterprise-D:
Warp 1: Lightspeed *1
Warp 2: Lightspeed *10
Warp 3: Lightspeed *50
Warp 4: Lightspeed *100
(Scale is hard to read from here on)
Warp 5: Lightspeed *200
Warp 6: Lightspeed *500
Warp 7: Lightspeed *800
Warp 8: Lightspeed *1000
Warp 9: Lightspeed *2000/*3000
Warp 9.5: Lightspeed *10,000
Warp 10: You cannot reach Warp 10.

[Kadste]

While doing some research on the Warp scales, I noticed that there were differences in the scales over time. I have not not been able to find any documentation on why theses changes were made. Maybe we are supposed to believe as time goes on the definition and formula just gets refined. This has happened many times in our past. Our temperature scales have been changed and updated with better research and better formuals to explain them. Not much available documentation on this topic as well. You have to dig really deep to find exact explanations on the why and how. Maybe Warp Scales are like this to.

I do remember, though, that where was always an exponential increase (warp 5 is 25 times the speed of light) plus some other factor used in calculating the warp factor. It seems to be ths other factor that changes.

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