Tien Chi - why no "immortal" pretender?

[Vicious Love]

Wish_For_Blood_Slaves said:
I mean with liches and the such seeking godhood after becomming immortal, it would almost make perfect sense that one of the tien chi immortals would seek it as well.

Liches are, above all, ambitious. T'ien Chi's heroes are... heroic. In different ways, none of which lend themselves to the kind of godhood to which a pretender aspires. Plus, they've got too much of that whole inner harmony thing going to aspire to be any more than they are. With the exception of the Master of the Iron crutch. I could totally see him replacing Kurgi by Dom III.

Edit: A typo?! Truly, I have learnt nothing. I hang my head in shame.

[Kristoffer O]

Lol

[Alneyan]

And TC already has some Liches. Okay, weaker Liches, but Liches regardless. They also have the cute Vampire Queen, and the ole Phoenix.

[Wish]

yeah, but no just "immortal"

It would be nice I think to mod away one of the current immortal pretenders for one that matches the theme better.

[Vicious Love]

Wish_For_Blood_Slaves said:
yeah, but no just "immortal"

It would be nice I think to mod away one of the current immortal pretenders for one that matches the theme better.

The phoenix fits in pretty nicely with the theme. It's awfully cute, too. In my mind's eye, all the Banknotes of the Realm have that thing's face printed on them. You can't stay mad at that, even if it did just kill your prophet and seize your Steel Ovens.

[B0rsuk]

Oh, by the way...

It seems that playing without Order and Productivity is usually a suicide.
Order reduces chance of random events.
Tien Chi has very cool national heroes.

Is this possible to play Tien Chi _effectively_ and still be able to get one of national heroes ?

[Sandman]

Heroes aren't affected by order or turmoil, IIRC.

[Truper]

B0rsuk said:
Is this possible to play Tien Chi _effectively_ and still be able to get one of national heroes ?

Both Barbarian Kings and Spring and Autumn require Turmoil. They are likely to compensate for this by taking a Luck scale. They will tend to get the national heroes quite soon. Both can be played effectively, although in the unmodded game, Barbarian Kings is somewhat underpowered. The base theme prefers order, and will therefore often take misfortune to get points. They'll tend to get the heroes much more slowly. However, the base theme isn't a good candidate for a bless strategy, and might not require an expensive pretender. One might choose not to mine misfortune for points, hoping for help from the heroes.