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March 20th, 2006, 07:22 PM
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Re: What are your favorite units in the game?
For tanks, I'm in love with the Israeli Merkava models 3 or if you can afford them the Merkava 4. They have great armor, fire-control and in real-life action can also transport infantry.
If you are looking for an M60-type tank, the Israeli Magach 6 Gal is the best. It has reactive armor [Israel was the first country to use them], a great fire control system [the Gal is actually state of the art and under-represented in the game], and best of all plenty of room inside to store food for the tank crew :-)
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March 21st, 2006, 06:15 AM
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Re: What are your favorite units in the game?
You can get even better with the Sabra, which is basically an ugraded Magach-7 with the Merkava's 120mm gun.
Should come in service any time in the Turkish forces if I'm not mistaken, but I couldn't find it in the game (the T-84 Yatagan is pretty funny though!).
Not yet in Israeli service, but I wouldn't bet it will never be... 
BTW the ultimate Magach seems to be the -7 Alef, but that depends on which timeframe you're playing. Or is the Gal undertated?
Anyway the Merkava-4 still ranks among the very best tanks in the world IMHO, and that is pretty well pictured in the game.
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March 21st, 2006, 02:27 PM
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Re: What are your favorite units in the game?
The Magach 6 Gal actually has a better fire control system than the Magach 7 of any type, but inferior armor. The Magach 6 Batash is a Gal version with added passive armor and the reactive armor removed. The game doesn't quite represent this correctly, but not everybody has driven one :-)
The Sabra is an upgrade to the M60 that Israel offers to countries and is probably not going to be available to the IDF. The Merkava appears to be Israel's choice in MBT and all of the Magach versions are actually being replaced in service in the IDF.
For APC, Israel is also King. The Achzarit takes the hull of a T55 MBT, removes the turret, and thereby gives the soldiers inside the armor protection of a tank. While a bit underarmed, compared with a Bradley, I'd still prefer to be inside one of these and not be a shooter than shoot it out with the enemy but have a lot less protection.
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March 21st, 2006, 09:42 PM
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Re: What are your favorite units in the game?
The only problem with the Achzarit is that it is so slow that you can't keep up with the tanks. With the Merkava at hand I wouldn't bother with APCs anyway. Just buy more tanks and load them up with infantry.
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March 22nd, 2006, 02:55 PM
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Re: What are your favorite units in the game?
The problem with modern tanks is that you have to worry about them getting killed by all kinds of top attack missiles and helicopter ATGMs. The Merkava 4b is nice because it has both VIRSS and LAHAT top-attack munitions, and it's probably my favorite tank now. The top attack ATGMs are pretty innacurate for some reason (the game says they have a hit chance of 70% or more, but they only hit about 30% of the time), and it's hard to get a good hit with them, but they're 1/10th the cost of a tank. If nothing else, they'll slow your opponenet down and force him to deal with all these hard to kill ATGM teams. What's also great about the Merkava is its ability to carry infantry- heavy snipers work very well against missile teams.
The Achzarit is just an overpriced hunk of metal. Anything without Chobham-type protection in modern scenarios is for all practical purposes as heavily armored as a jeep. I still think that BTR and M-113 type APCs are the best. The Russian Valuk APC is also an interesting design- very fast (speed of 37!), amphibious, about 40 points and has a 30mm chaingun.
How about boats? Does anyone here ever use naval units? The Yugoslav OOB has a "Missile Boat" equipped with a naval gun and two 57mm rocket launchers which have enough punch to kill anything else that floats. Some of the American PBRs have flameguns and are good against infantry. A lot of people think that patrol craft are useless against tanks, but I can tell you that I've immobilized a lot of armor with ship-mounted grenade launchers and rockets with flank shots. This was all during the WBW Carribean Conquest campaign, against older tanks. Of course, against anything mounting a good, accurate gun, PBRs are going to get blown out of the water.
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March 23rd, 2006, 04:55 AM
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Re: What are your favorite units in the game?
Then what about mounting such a gun on a PBR or something? If you want high-tech combat-capable coastal boats, just look towards Scandinavia. F.e. I think there should be Swedish boats around with AMOS automortar turrets any time soon, if there aren't already.
And regaring what you said about 57mm rockets on missile boats, it looks like several lower-tier forces with large Soviet stocks have the habit of welding BM-21 122mm rocket racks on old missile boats once the missile packs have become useless.
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March 23rd, 2006, 04:35 PM
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Re: What are your favorite units in the game?
Where did you hear the thing about third world countries mounting Grads on boats? If you just noticed it in the game, it's probably just there to represent naval missiles because the game dosen't have any code to really represent naval SSMs.
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