OT of an OT: Ethanol

[Renegade 13]

Hunpecked said:
Renegade 13: "Might as well stop....but don't view it as me conceeding your arguement, since I'm not"

Actually Renegade did concede, partially, when he wrote

"Here I agree with you. I was mistaken in my original post that the American economy was circling the drain, at least in certain aspects."

Partial. Compared to the economies of many countries, the US is doing great. However, in my opinion, in comparison to Canada's it's not as good, and it's on a downward spiral. That spiral might be slow, but a spiral it is.

You guys need to learn the golden rule. Nothing means nothing were all going to die. So if you can't effect change, learn to live with what is what and f*** the rest. It don't mean jack for were all going to be long dead and forgotten by the time that it matters. And by then, no one will care. So nuff said, move on.

That's a bit of a fatalistic attitude. There's always something the public masses can do, if united, demanding change. No gov't can resist the demands of their united people.

[Atrocities]

Public masses are considered MOBBS and therefore your right to gather and conduct free speech activities is null and void as Posse Comitatus (sp) is suspended and the armed rebellion is put down with excessive and brutal forces.

No gov't can resist the demands of their united people.

If the citizans of that government have been duley disarmed, then the above passage holds even more weight.

[Suicide Junkie]

Does the US really need to spend as much on military as the rest of the world combined? (47%)

Raise taxes a little, and stop dropping so many of those expensive bombs on other countries.

[Atrocities]

How about this, raise taxes fairly, make the GD rich pay their fair share for a change, cut the pork barrelling and special interest money luandering, cut the salaries of the US Government including those over paid and mostly bloated senators and representatives. Sell the Military hardware and mothball the all of those expensive air craft carriers. Hell we only need one or two of them any ways. Shut down the Marine Corp, National Gaurd, and the Air Force and sell off all of their crap to other countries and use the money to establish my entitlement state!

[Fyron]

This thread was more interesting when it was about ethanol. Oh well.

[Atrocities]

I think the topic of ethanol was about ran dry. But your right, it was more interesting than it is now.

[Renegade 13]

Imperator Fyron said:
This thread was more interesting when it was about ethanol. Oh well.

Problem is, ethanol has already been thrashed to death. Neat idea, might work on a small scale to reduce overseas oil exports, not feasible as a large-scale oil replacement. Bring on hydrogen!

[Phoenix-D]

Renegade 13 said:
Problem is, ethanol has already been thrashed to death. Neat idea, might work on a small scale to reduce overseas oil exports, not feasible as a large-scale oil replacement. Bring on hydrogen!

Hydrogen isn't an energy source. You have to produce it, either by cracking water or other slightly more complicated methods. Either way you need power to do it, which leads right around to the same problem..

[Will]

Just a bit of info on the salaries of top elected/appointed officials of the US government:
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President                             $400,000

Vice President                        $208,100

Senator                               $162,100

Representative                        $162,100

Majority and Minority Leaders         $180,100

Speaker of the House                  $208,100

Chief Justice, U.S. Supreme Court     $208,100

Assoc. Justice, U.S. Supreme Court    $199,200

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While the salaries are higher than an average citizen's annual salary, you should also consider that it usually takes much more money than that to get elected in the first place. And also consider that the salaries are a pitiance compared to salaries of executives at most corporations. Makes you wonder why some people would even want to be in office, and definitely reminds me of something from THHGTTG: "To summarize: it is a well known fact, that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."

[Atrocities]

Thanks Will. I had no idea that they were getting paid so little. Man what I could do with a yearly salary of just $60,000.