German Biased?

[DRG]

The reason there are more German based scenarios is because the primary sceanrio designer who contributed many of the scenarios early on as we developed the game over the past few years was interested in that aspect of the conflict. If he had been interested in the Pacific island battles we'd have an "imbalance" of USMC scenarios and I'm sure someone else would be complaining we have a "USA or USMC Bias".. As Double_Deuce pointed out the amount of hours required to build a decent sceanrio let alone a decent campaign is quite large and the only way anyone can get through that is if he's interested in the material he's working with. You cannot build a good sceanrio if you are not interested. Everyone who has contributed is a hobbyist with a limited amount of free time and his own personal interests in the second world conflict

As the game has evolved and more people who are qualified to create quality scenarios have shown an interest in producing and submitting them we have expanded the variety of nations that you can play as but that is primarily becasue different designers have different interests. As for scripted campaigns we have 10 at the moment. Five are played from the US side ( US Bias ?!? ) Three play from the German side, one from the Japanese and one primarily from the Polish perspective. Agreed. There are no Russian ones. ( or British ones ) If you think there should be....build one. I do not issue "orders" to the people who work hard to produce these things and neither will I tell them that because we may have more than an average number of German based ones that I will not accept any further scenarios from a German POV until we somehow re-address the "imbalance" in the game.

I'm Canadian. There are a number of "campaigns" that could be produced for this game based on Canadian participation in WW2 but I have never once asked anyone to build one and never will. Not because I don't want one. I would be happy to have one but anyone willing to put multiple hundreds of hours work in into a campaign must WANT to do it. When someone is inspired to do so they will and if it is any good I will gladly include it in the game. If YOU or anyone else feels there should be more Russian POV scenarios and campaigns in the game then please crack open a book, do some research and get to work and if you produce a good one I will be happy to include it in a future update of the game.

Don Goodbrand

[desh44]

I am in the process of gathering info for a Russian based campaign. Time period would be winter of 1941 when the Russians launched attacks against Army Group North. This will most probably be a fixed core campaign where you will have a few choices to beef up your core force. At this time the forces I am looking is a mixed infantry force of Ski and Cavalry troops with other support troops added for each scenario. This will most probably take a few months time for research and building the maps and mapping out the story line. IF this one goes well I plan another which would center around the offensive following Kursk.

Tom

[Smersh]

good points DRG. I understand what you are saying, designers have favored the german army for whatever reason. there is a clear misunderstanding by player though, some have said what I called the "german bais" was intentional, and other said it was intentional. I was only pointing out a objective observation.

So, your saying the designers who have created this great game have had a "german bais" or interest as you said, this is the reason for the proportionally large amount of german scenarios, and a "ignoring" of other major nations: Britain, Soviet Union, lesser extent the United state in scenarios.

I'm not trying to give orders to anyone, everyone can agree that addressing some of the other major armies and even minor ones would be an improvement to the game. In, fact when I have more free time (in a few weeks). I will attempt researching a red army campign, and gathering a team, following pyros' suggestion.

[Double_Deuce]

Smersh said:
So, your saying the designers who have created this great game have had a "german bais" or interest as you said, this is the reason for the proportionally large amount of german scenarios, and a "ignoring" of other major nations: Britain, Soviet Union, lesser extent the United state in scenarios.

Actually, the designers of the game are a different group than the designers of the scenarios and campaigns. Most, if not all of the scenarios and campaigns included with the game were designed by individuals not associated with the game designers. The vast majority were created by regular people and submitted to the game designers for inclusion in the game.

Smersh said:I'm not trying to give orders to anyone, everyone can agree that addressing some of the other major armies and even minor ones would be an improvement to the game. In, fact when I have more free time (in a few weeks). I will attempt researching a red army campign, and gathering a team, following pyros' suggestion.

I would definately like to follow this projects progress once you get it started. I have several ideas for Red Army projects (and others using the so called "axis minor nations" on the Eastern Front) but translating the small amount of available documents to keep the design as historically accurate as possible make it an almost impossible task to do.

Personally, I would like to see some campaigns designed around the amphibious operation in the Black Sea in 41/42 and operation in front of Moscow in the Winter of 41/42.

[serg3d]

Double_Deuce said:
[ I have several ideas for Red Army projects (and others using the so called "axis minor nations" on the Eastern Front) but translating the small amount of available documents to keep the design as historically accurate as possible make it an almost impossible task to do.

The good site about red army in english:
http://battlefield.ru
And site with big number of war memories, dayries, letters and documents in russian:
http://militera.lib.ru
some other russian
http://rkka.ru

and of cause wikipedia have some info.

[Double_Deuce]

serg3d said:
The good site about red army in english:
http://battlefield.ru
And site with big number of war memories, dayries, letters and documents in russian:
http://militera.lib.ru
some other russian
http://rkka.ru

I frequently check the http://rkka.ru site as they are a good source of information. Does anyone know of a good place to get 1:50,000 maps of areas of the Eastern Front? I thought about getting the Moscow map set from HPSSIMS specifically for the purpose of a Moscow area campaign. Of course, it would also require some detailed OOB's of units operating in that area of at least Regiment/Battalion level. Would also need to know locations of thise units to match up with the maps.

Are you volunteering to help out if a project can be started?

[cbblackard]

I designed a lot of the scenarios for this game over the years and can say the following:

1) Don and Andy never directed what scenario topics should be covered. They pretty much gave scenario designers the freedom to design the scenarios which interested them most. Personally, I believe that has led to more and better scenarios from the designers;

2) I've always been more interested in the German military than the other sides in WWII -- and that relates primarily to the fact that I find German armor to be far cooler than the armor of other nations. That's not to say that JSIIs and T-34/85s aren't cool, but I'm willing to bet that most wargamers/modelers agree with me and are bigger fans of German armor than other nations' armor;

3) Over the past twenty (20) years, there has been a TON of books published relating to the German military in World War II (including the translation of many German unit histories) making it possible to accurately design scenarios from the German point-of-view. Unfortunately, there are very few books from the Soviet point-of-view. Thus, if you are an Eastern Front fan (as I am), it is a breeze to design historically-accurate scenarios from the German point-of-view but next to impossible to design Soviet ones. Hopefully that will change in the future.

CBB

[Warhero]

And how about converting Lost Victories/Desert Fox/Watchtower megacampaigns into WinSPWW2? Heh it could be too BIG task to anyone...

Just dreaming...