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Old May 19th, 2006, 07:41 PM

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Default Re: German Biased?

While I dont think Don and Andy need any back up from anybody on this topic I cant resist to add my own opinion (mostly because I am well known scenario PBEM lover and honestly speaking I dont think anybody here PBEMed more stock scens than I did).

Firstly while playing human vs human MOST of ingame scens are playable for both sides. Out of around 100 scens I played H2H ONLY 20%, maybe 25%, were totally unbalanced. There are many scens which I was able to get beaten from both sides. If you guys think those scens usually favor first side, I will give you contact to handfull of players, who will beat you with ease, commanding so called weaker side. My point is, as Don noted, if you have 200 scens facing Ger against Sov, you dont have to be math genius to find out you have 200 scens facing Sov against Ger.
Now, I am aware of the fact that playing AI IS somewhat different. Thereare many scens where, for many reasons, AI just cant handle to play first side in the scenario. But it still leaves us handfull of scens where AI can be assigned any side.
Also, if you take time into account, recently made scenarios have much wider variety of nations involved.
One more thing I havent seen raised here (although I could missed it) - it is quite difficult to make French, Polish, Brittish, Russian etc historical scenario without Germans being involved, dont you agree ?
I am not german biased (although I agree with CB they did have coolest staff ), and I would love to see another 300, 500, 1000 new scenarios with the game teeling about less known asspects of the war, with minor nations, but hey, lets get realistic, it is not that likely to happen unless someone makes them.

Secondly, you may not known how open persons both Don and Andy are. They do listen what players say. But I wouldnt expect them to delete someone's hard work ( german POV scens) only becasue some people think it is too many of them. BTW there are independent sites where you can upload and download player made scenarios. Some excellent staff there. I dont think much time will pass untill winWW2 scens will be there for all of us to enjoy.

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p.s. I just cant understand why people must carry this on AFTER they got reasonable explanations.
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Old May 19th, 2006, 07:57 PM
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Default Re: German Biased?

yeah, I agree fully. I think we have had alot of reasonable exlplanations.

I want to add though

Its difficult to tell which scenarios can be played form other nations point of view, specifally when their designed to be played by one side, and many of them say "take x side if human". this is not jut for the sov point of view either.

and I don't think anyone thinks it realistic to have 300-1000 new scenarios about minor nations. when I started this I wasn't arguing that the game was missing lots of minor tiny battles. But you would expect some kursk scenarios/or campigns from the su pov, or campigns/scen. from the uk pov from north africa. these are big names, not minor lesser known ascpects.

and I and nobody expects anyone to delete any scenarios. even the ones I mentioned. I was just pointig out that they are there.
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...and I don't think anyone thinks it realistic to have 300-1000 new scenarios about minor nations.
No...

...but it would be a challange. [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Hammer.gif[/img]
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Ulf,
I am ready to test them if you take that challange...
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I am ready to test them if you take that challange...
...tempting, tempting...
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Default Re: German Biased?

Czerpak: Besides, not only did the Germans fight so many nations, but they often proved to be very worthy adversaries; a true test for every nation. Pit USA vs. Japan and Japan can't stop the tanks. It seems at least half of the more minor nations the Germans fought, had at least one unit that had decent or good anti-tank capabilities against the Germans, especially in the early years when the German stuff wasn't too well armored.

By the time Japan fights the US there's plenty of Shermans available to where the only thing that could stop them for the Japanese was being strapped to their backs. Japan is certainly interesting to fight if you have no armor, but a bore if you're going to do a long campaign against them and have at least a dozen medium tanks.

Italy vs Japan might not be too bad a campaign though.
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