Soviet Campaigns

[Smersh]

okay, I have checked the map repository.
They have a sporadic collection of maps at 1:50,000 scale of the western soviet union between I was told 1920-50.

Here are the locations I noted, that they have.

Crimea: -northern area around sevastapol, not the city itself
-Eastern area of the crimean peninsula, and the northern -crimean land bridge area. none anywhere else in the crimea.

Kursk:
-the city of kursk, and the near immediate area around the city.
-Belgorod area, Kharkov area also.
- Don river area, quite extensively.
Rostov:
-large part of the Rostov area
Ukraine:
-large part of southern ukraine, quite extensive but sporiadic.
Everything else:
again very spordiac everywhere else, almost nothing of the northern soviet union, no coverage of moscow, only some tiny areas of the leningrad district.

edit: I didn't check anything of manchuria, but in general china seemed to be covered well, from what I saw in passing.

[Charles22]

Oh, I wasn't saying that one couldn't do a campaign on '45 Manchuria, in fact I've seen some, but what I was saying is that it makes for a pretty poor one if you find some way to really reflect what happened. Fun for the USSR and pretty dismal for the Japanese.

[Smersh]

its a campign from the soviet POV, why would we make if fun for the japanese???

[serg3d]

Japanise practically had no tanks, and what they have was not on par with russians. They also had no proper AT guns. So to make campain challangeable you will have to fight hordes of infantry and cavalry. Probably wouldn't be fun.

[PatG]

serg3d said:
Japanise practically had no tanks, and what they have was not on par with russians. They also had no proper AT guns. So to make campain challangeable you will have to fight hordes of infantry and cavalry. Probably wouldn't be fun.

I would go with fairly light Japanese forces, much less than the normal points ratios, but limit the turns severely forcing the human player to properly think out a battle plan. The campaign was as much about superb Russian planning as Japanese weakness.

I suspect that it would be harder to balance than most campaigns. Good use of branching could make the campaign a real bear. If you don't go fast, the Japanese regain their balance, dig in and start working on your lines of communication...

The upside is that the Russian can use Shermans and old BT fast tanks. With three fronts each with different terrain you can pretty much pick your favourite ground - desert to mountain - it's all there.

[Smersh]

Again this is just one possibility, no one said "yes, we're definetly doing it on the manchurian offensive". and I would really like some of you to read some of the info I provided before making comments about the manchuria campign.

[Charles22]

Smersh said:
its a campign from the soviet POV, why would we make if fun for the japanese???

I just keep thinking in terms of 'scenarios' when I see these scripted campaigns, as such I imagine that you could play either side. Besides, I was still talking from the point-of-view that the battles themselves were a bad mis-match, such that even the dominant side might not like it.

[PatG]

Charles22 said:
Oh, I wasn't saying that one couldn't do a campaign on '45 Manchuria, in fact I've seen some, but what I was saying is that it makes for a pretty poor one if you find some way to really reflect what happened. Fun for the USSR and pretty dismal for the Japanese.

My apologies - I was working from the assumption that the player would be Russian and the AI Japanese. About the only way it would work with a Japanese player would be to create a whole series of delay actions with one or two defends.

If one did go for a Manchurian campaign, you would have to put some pretty tight turn limits on the Russian player.

[Charles22]

I didn't understand that nobody could play the Japanese side. A bad game for the AI nonetheless.

[Double_Deuce]

Were are mainly just focusing on what would be a good theme for a user created campaign using the Soviets (particularly one that hasn't been done). We could probably come up with several if we can manage to get good OOB, maps and other detailed data. Preferably early to mid war would be the best (IMHO). My particular intersts are;

• The early fighting in Besserabia,
• The fighting around Moscow (41/42),
• The early fighting to retake the Kerch Penninsula (41/42) by amphib invasion,
• The fighting to cutoff and take Leningrad.