Why am I not able to win the Orania Map ?

JimKnopf · #1 July 3rd, 2006, 01:13 PM

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Morkilus said:
I've failed plenty of times against the AI, usually when there's an AE Ermor or C'tis involved. Dunno why I lose to C'tis. I find that I have alot more fun playing when there ISN'T a death theme to have to deal with, since the other AI nations never have a chance. It's pretty much given that you'll be fighting Ermor and probably be crushed. It's not cheating to leave them out, but if you want to fight them you better beat them early in the game, and have a solid plan to do so. In multiplayer, it's not unusual to gang up on a death theme just so the dominion doesn't spoil the... spoils

You are right. Actually it was stupid from me calling it cheating to leave Ermor out. I would never play without Ermor because it simply makes me feel good to save the world from the undead.
What I do is to change the world setup in a way I hope is disadvantageous to ermor. (Independents: 9 + Richness: rich).

Sandman · #2 July 3rd, 2006, 02:30 PM

Even 25 PD is probably too much.

shovah · #3 July 3rd, 2006, 03:22 PM

yes, the best defence for anyone other than ulm is to mass indie archers/crossbows (or possibly others if you have longbows ect) with a few units up front to take damage and possibly more archers or a flaming arrows/wind guide mage. Vrs the ai mystics are better than astrologers except for mind hunting ect but in mp where people go for quality over quantity those astral spells become very viable.

Agrajag · #4 July 4th, 2006, 04:23 AM

Regarding PD, think about it this way, for each point you put in PD you get a unit that's worth... X gold (lets say 10), that means that if you got 11 PD you paid 11 gold for a unit worth 10 gold.
Obviously its more complicated than that (these units don't cost upkeep, and if they win the battle they get to regenerate), but that's an interesting approach to PD.

Cainehill · #5 July 4th, 2006, 08:46 AM

Of course, with nations with solid PD ( Jotuns especially, but also Ulm & Abysia, etc ) there are some interesting ways to use high PD values. For example, when I've been positive someone was about to attack a particular province I had a good army in, I've cranked the PD up to a very high value (35-50) just as I'm expecting them to attack.

The PD then soaks up the bulk of the casualties for me (troops are all moved to the rear) while mages are buffing the troops with all the good things like body ethereal, legions of steel, mass regen, luck, etc. The enemy troops and mages get tired going after the PD, and then have to deal with the real forces. In theory, this results in very light casualties for the army, and the PD regenerates after the battle.

Daynarr · #6 July 4th, 2006, 08:57 AM

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Cainehill said:

Of course, with nations with solid PD ( Jotuns especially, but also Ulm & Abysia, etc ) there are some interesting ways to use high PD values. For example, when I've been positive someone was about to attack a particular province I had a good army in, I've cranked the PD up to a very high value (35-50) just as I'm expecting them to attack.

The PD then soaks up the bulk of the casualties for me (troops are all moved to the rear) while mages are buffing the troops with all the good things like body ethereal, legions of steel, mass regen, luck, etc. The enemy troops and mages get tired going after the PD, and then have to deal with the real forces. In theory, this results in very light casualties for the army, and the PD regenerates after the battle.

I use same tactic whenever possible. Actually I use it with nearly all nations as they can soak damage just as well. Those you mentioned are best for the job though.

BigJMoney · #7 July 5th, 2006, 02:10 PM

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Agrajag said:
Regarding PD, think about it this way, for each point you put in PD you get a unit that's worth... X gold (lets say 10), that means that if you got 11 PD you paid 11 gold for a unit worth 10 gold.

That is certainly interesting. Has anyone made a chart containing approximations of what the nattion-specific PD units are worth? I think something like this would be a useful reference for people who want to play a Nation for the first time.

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Saxon · #8 July 21st, 2006, 04:09 AM

How many spies do you need to push it over 100 in one turn? If you catch them out and they can not recruit a patroling force the next turn, you could really disrupt things. Still, even pushing it up to 60 or so will disrupt income, it is a nice idea.

Gandalf Parker · #9 July 21st, 2006, 10:16 AM

Sometimes you have a chance to take someones home castle even though you know he has large armies that will rush to take it back. Cranking taxes to 200% and setting everyone to search for blood maidens can give a nasty blow to his economy and ability to create national units.

Sometimes I even leave as his armies approach. Dont even bothr making him fight to get it back. Particularly with Pangaea or some other nation where I can hide my armies nearby just waiting for him to try and move his main army back out to the front lines. Its a difficult winning strategy but its a great ally strategy.

Saxon · #10 July 19th, 2006, 10:51 AM

Hmm, I will check tonight. I know that when it hits 100%, you can not recruit, which makes your tactic very effective. I have found against the AI, they do not agressivly patrol when you drop a spy or two on the capital. I have found it so effective that it is almost an exploit. Against a human who knows what they are doing, I suspect the spy would have a short life span...