Carrier 3 inch mortar, what was it.

chuckfourth · #1 July 4th, 2006, 06:45 AM

Hi Andy
Seems we have strayed a bit of the track if its OK Ill take the time to show you how your arguments relate to the point I am making. i wont answer all your points as it is tedious enough with just these few.

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Mobhack said:

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Chuck said:
No they are being used for direct fire, armour protected, close range, direct fire, because they dont have to dismount which is the error I am pointing out.

As I said before. This is not a problem with the unit, but with your opponent using an SP-Mortar as an assault gun. All mortars and SP-mortars can fire direct fire over open sights with no set up time. As can any SP-arty.

Yes I am familar with the capabilities of SP-arty, and yes that is correct there is not a problem with the unit 130. There is however a problem with unit 130 being placed in the wrong OOBs. Unit 130 should only be in the ANZAC OOB post 43. ie In the Indian, UK and Canadian OOBs the game has a SP-arty vehicle where a mortar transporting vehicle should be.

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Mobhack said:
If you do not like your PBEM opponent doing this, then speak to him.

My PBEM opponent can do this as much as he likes, but he should only be able to buy unit 130 in the ANZAC post 43 OOB.

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Mobhack said:
If we see fit to remove the carrier 3in mortar (we may) - you will still have him doing the same thing in 43 onwards, with the M3 halftrack SPM (or the Sdkfz 250 one or whatever).
So - you need to discuss this tactic with your PBEM opponent, if it happens to annoy you. Not us.

No, I am very happy with getting direct fire from any sp-mortar, what I am not happy with is is getting direct fire from behind armour when in reality the mortar in question had to be taken out of the vehicle before firing.

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Mobhack said:
However - as stated above, your real problem is not the units themselves, but some PBEM opponent taking them and doing something that annoys you. So - simply agree with him that formation No. 37 will be verboten till 3/43 when the halftrack SPM arrives. Now there is a simple, if perhaps radical solution to your problem - work it out with your PBEM opponent in the pre-game negotiation phase where you agree numbers of planes, amounts of arty etc. (If he refuses, then simply do not play the guy, if it bugs you so much).

No, My real problem is that a mortar carrying unit has been replaced by a SP-arty unit in commonwealth OOBs. This is very clear in my origional post.

I think the thread has become rather confused as you have initially tried to show that its OK to model formation 118 as unit 130 basicaly by assuming for the purposes of game play that they are the same, wich obviously they arn't.
Unit 130 represents 400 scratch built Australian SP-Mortar Carriers completed some time in 1943. Somehow these have managed to cross the barriers of time and space to be included in all the commonwealth OOBs 1939 onwards. The correct unit in the UK, Indian and Canadian OOBs is formation 118 a brencarrier carrying a mortar not a SP-Mortar. The two units play very differently.

Thanks for your time Chuck.

Cameronius · #2 July 10th, 2006, 08:20 PM

Mobhack,
I have to agree with Chuck on this. The 2 units play very differently, even when exchanging indirect fire. It might not be a change that is worth your while to make right now, but Chuck has done his homework, is willing to do a share of the legwork and I see his point.

DRG · #3 July 10th, 2006, 09:42 PM

I guess you haven't loaded the patch yet.

Don

Cameronius · #4 July 10th, 2006, 11:11 PM

Mobhack · #5 July 10th, 2006, 11:57 PM

Get & install the v1.1 patch. It should be fixed now. Then examine the relevant OOBS that relate to this particular thread.

Cheers
Andy

chuckfourth · #6 July 12th, 2006, 08:06 AM

Thanks very much for your support Cameronius, you are indeed a brave fellow.
Re the 3 inch mortar carrier, unless Im missing something or havent perhaps installed the patch right, nothing seems to have changed re the units availability? Maybe in the next patch then?
Best regards Chuck.

DRG · #7 July 12th, 2006, 09:19 PM

And are you looking in the game or cruising through the OOB?

I changed them. I know they have been changed. If you think you see a problem perhaps some details as to nation and year and things like that might be useful.

The units themselves have been renationalized in the OOB's so they do not show up in the game except the Aussie version which shows up 6/43. The rest of them, for example are now carriers and mortars separate in formations usually named Mortar Sec/M. ( Canada formation 14 is one example, Poland formation 17 is another and in India its a "Mech Mortar Sec" formation 20 ) and in all cases the old "Carrier 3in Mor" or whatever it was named is now nationalized to "Nation 0" which means it will not show up for purchace in the game but will still be avaialble in a sceanrio in the off chance it's been used in one.

As well the SP-mortar formations in the OOB's that used that SP "Carrier 3in Mor" have been changed so they follow the availability of the "M21" ( it is called that in some OOB's and just "Halftrack SPM" in others.

Don

Cameronius · #8 July 12th, 2006, 11:14 PM

Sorry Don,
I still see the 3inch mortar carrier in there, But I also see the new unit. Here is a screenshot of a British purchase May 1941. I have been able to purchase both units. Photobucket

Cameronius · #9 July 12th, 2006, 11:15 PM

POOP!http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...onius/demo.gif

Mobhack · #10 July 13th, 2006, 04:56 AM

in mobhack, check the info tab when the British OOB is loaded.

It should state Version 5/July/06

Formation 37 starts in 3/43

unit 130 is nation 0

if you don't have that data, you have not upgraded to version 1.1 perhaps?.

Cheers
Andy