Problems with random campaign generator

[Mobhack]

if your campaign is only ending after 2 battles - then did your A0 get killed?. Getting "yourself" killed terminates the campaign.

As to troop ratios, "AI tank heavy" does not mean a fleet of panzers with no supporting infantry, it just means more tanks (generally a company buy instead of a platoon, if it has the points). Try buying an Italian force with computer buy with and without the switch on (do it about 10 times with each switch setting for a representative sample).

What was the value of your core + supports? - The OPFOR will get 2.5 times that in an assault, and if Italian with lower morale and training than your troops, that means the same points will buy more - perhaps 1.5 to 2 rifle coys to one British one. Plus many Italian rifle sections are rifle only, no LMG - rather cheaper.

Armies will break at about 75% destroyed or in rout of the on-map forces and all victory hexes owned by the other side and none of thier forces near enough to an enemy-held hex to contest it.

Cheers
Andy

[MHowe]

No, technically the campaign did not end. I chose not to go on after two battles, since my force was almost completely shot up and I couldn't repair my units.

As for the tank heavy issue, I maintain that it's broken. I was fighting with a force that had perhaps 40% tanks, and the AI attacked me with 100% infantry.

And given the morale breaking conditions in your response, I think those also need to be revisited. There is no way the Italians would have kept charing up those hills in the face of such slaughter the way that they did.

I know the designers and fans of this game are going to defend it, and on other fronts it deserves defending, but realistically, if the random campaign generator produces situations that are this ridiculous and unsatisfying, please admit that something is not right.

[cbo]

Do you have a save of your campaign?

Claus B

[Captain_G]

what were the dates of your campaigns ?
What type of campaigns were they ?

I played a 4 battles in a generated campaign and was never overwhelmed, but the enemy always had tanks, so that means equally less infantry.

maybe if the italian had no tanks available for these dates that would mean that infantry swarm ?

[MHowe]

No, I didn't keep the saves, unfortunately.

The date of the campaign was 1944. There were plenty of Italian armored vehicles available, so it's baffling that none were chosen by the computer.

As for the "how is this possible" question, well that's what I was hoping someone in here would answer. I guess it's possible that point-wise, the ratio was not more than 2:1 because Italian infantry is so much cheaper than American armor, but it's also not the game I wanted which is why I had the tank heavy switch on.

No one thinks the army morale model is questionable? You all find it acceptable that the Italian infantry swarm charged my tanks and guns despite being slaughtered and driven back repeatedly? Just asking.

[Mobhack]

was this "Italy" - Italy or "Italy" - Italian Socialist Republic (Mussolini's mob/German allies) in 1944?.

Italy at that date has surrendered to the Allies, and has no real armour. They fought some anti partisan stuff, but really were out of the war. So Italy is still in there - for some mop up stuff in the Balakans, Italian islands (against Germany). Negligible armour support (even if you chose tank heavy, since tank heavy will not do much for an infantry heavy force). Post the Italian surrender, the OOB is there for partisan/police type stuff, or remote Greek Island defences against Germans etc. or as auxilaiies to the Allies. They are not valid opponents for the Allies at that point in time (1944). They are valid as allies to the Allies, in a supporting role, providing infantry units.

The opponents of the Allies, are the RSI (Italian Social Republic - Italian flag with an eagle superimposed - October 43 to May 45) . These do have access to a modicum of German supplied armour etc. Though they were an infantry army in reality. These ones are the Italians that were fighting on as the German allies. The AI pick for RSI produces a fair amount of tin cans.

You can find full info on the various Italies in the Game Guide - "historical design notes" section, then scroll down to the country descriptions section.

You should try again, with the RSI as the correct Italian opponent for the Allies. (If this is a generated campaign where you chose the 3 opponents, as opposed to a WW2 Long Campaign which is scripted).

Cheers
Andy

[serg3d]

@ MHove: If you find campain too hard you can change AI:Playrer force ratio in the CamoGame.ini there is "Campaign AI Point Adjustments.txt" description, how to do it.