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August 16th, 2006, 08:06 AM
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Re: HEAT type penetration..
I´ve found that overpentration too. Maybe it a psychological feature of my mind, but pen 100 milan 3s might get even 110 pens regularly. Sometimes smaller however. I don´t like the overpenetration feature, because I think that arms manufactures will put best possible penetration quotas in their brochures. So a missile should penetrate the given number if no weakspot messages.
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August 16th, 2006, 05:12 PM
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Re: HEAT type penetration..
I am running a few tens of tests on this issue.
I am using the most up to date free version of the game.
I have purchased a squadron of Jeep mounted TOWs from the Gulf State OOB, unit 204.Then I checked the specs for the missile, an improve TOW.HEAT penetration 80, warhead size 6, as standard.Then I have purchased some of my fictional MBTs (so that I can test their resistance since I am at it).Put them in a small map and disable the tanks weapons.
Then I have advanced my tanks triggering the enemy fire.
So far the average penetration seems in the 88-93 range.
Possibly even a 100 but I am not 100% positive on that one.Then there are occasional 20,30 or so, the warhead malfuctions I take.The actual penetrations in the 80-86 range are few.
I will keep running the tests.Eventually can somebody else try similar tests, to see if maybe there is just something wrong with my game install or something?
EDIT
I am not taking in consideration the weakspot penetrations, the above is for the normal ones.
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August 17th, 2006, 08:14 AM
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Re: HEAT type penetration..
Update
I have accumulated what must approximatively be 50-60 penetrations so far.The penetrations in the 80-86 range seems even less frequent than the warhead malfunctions so far.
If you want a more scientifical experiment, with maybe 50-100 (not 1000 of course)tests and the results for each written down, I am willing to do that, although it will take a few days.
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August 17th, 2006, 10:00 AM
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Re: HEAT type penetration..
As I think I said earlier - malfunctions/fuse failures reduce by decade post WW2. So later battles will not show the effect as with earlier.
I will run this through the debugger and check it out.
Andy
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August 17th, 2006, 10:44 AM
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Re: HEAT type penetration..
Ahah - much clearer once I reread the code
Improved TOW, therefore a dual charge and/or top attack ATGM. These get a bonus of 5+Random(Warhead Size) for the improved technology over straight HEAT added to pen.
There is a 5% chance of any HEAT round getting some of the Warhead Size added as over-pen. There is a 17% chance of under pen due to fuse failures etc.
Cheers
Andy
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August 17th, 2006, 12:51 PM
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Re: HEAT type penetration..
Yes, it was an improved TOW, as I wrote, I should have emphasized that, my mistake.
So it works out as 80+6+5=91, which is more in line with the endless strings of 88-89-90-91 I have actually observed.
But I have seen some 93, a 94 and a 98, plus possibly a 100.Random overpenetration in addition to the above?
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August 17th, 2006, 12:58 PM
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Re: HEAT type penetration..
As further addendum,this confirms what I had been suspecting for some time:multicharge missiles were more effective than the theoretical HEAT penetration + warhead size.I had never run extensive tests before though.
But I ask:is there a justification based on the real world or others issues, like for the warhead malfunctions?
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