Growing concern - but optimistic

Artaud · #1 September 28th, 2006, 07:39 PM

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arthurtuxedo said:
A lot of people have posted a lot of negative sentiments that were way out of proportion to the actual problems

Let's please be respectful of each other's opinions.

My "negative sentiments" were and are NOT "way out of proportion to the actual problems." My negative sentiments are a reflection of ACTUAL PROBLEMS. I think you will find most people who expressed negative things were indicating what they honestly believe to be real, actual, game-frustrating or game-breaking problems.

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arthurtuxedo said:Thankfully, most have gotten used to the new interface and stopped complaining so much, so it looks like my point about SEV being smothered in the cradle by its own fans the way Fallout Tactics was will prove to be happily wrong.

Perhaps "most" have gotten used to the new interface. I don't know. I can't and won't try to speak for most people in this forum. It's a bit forward for you to attempt to do so.

But I HAVE NOT gotten used to the new interface. I don't like it. I tried to like it. But I don't. I set the demo aside and then went back to it. Nothing. And it's not just a matter of 'liking' it or not--in some respects (the ship size, for example), it's hard on the eyes. The need to zoom in or zoom out to see the ships or see the system is a real hassle. It's more trouble than it's worth. 3D? So what.

I have not posted any more complaints about the SEV demo out of respect for those who do like it or have come to like it. I expressed my own opinion about it several times in several threads. I said what I had to say. I'm sure you and others do not want to hear me endlessly repeating myself.

There's no need for me to make the same complaints over and over and over. I don't have the desire nor the energy to come here day after day and argue about a computer game.

Besides, others have said the same things much more forcefully and in considerably more detail than I did.

I hope you are not implying that people should only post comments about SEV if they are positive comments. I hope you understand that many of us who have been posting here for years and years and have less-than-positive things to say about SEV are not just complainers. We really, REALLY want(ed) SEV to be a better game than SEIV. We want(ed) to have a great game to play and we wanted Aaron to be well-rewarded for his hard work.

As far as SEV in its current form goes, Aaron can make changes or not. It's his game and it's not up to me. If you like SEV, then great. Maybe someday I will change my mind about it. But for now, it's just not my cup of tea.

Phoenix-D · #2 September 28th, 2006, 08:18 PM

Arg.

I'm going to repeat this again. You don't need to see the ships!

If you -want- to break your fingers on an aethetic issue, that's fine, but I find it really amusing considering how many complaints were made over the move to 3d being about "flashy graphics not good gameplay."

Artaud · #3 September 28th, 2006, 08:41 PM

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Phoenix-D said:
I'm going to repeat this again. You don't need to see the ships!

Why not?

Maybe you don't, but I do. What's the point of playing a game about space empires and conquering the universe with fleets of ships if you can't see the ships? Half the reason for downloading the myriad of shipsets available for SEIV is playing with those beautiful ships!

One of the coolest things about playing the Klingons in Atrocities' Star Trek mod is...the ships! I grew up watching Trek in the 1960s and I'll tell you, I always thought the Klingons had better ships than the Federation. The Romulans too.

Now that I'm all grown up I'm tickled pink that I can come home from work and move Klingon (or Illuminati, or Crugarian, etc.) battle bruisers across my computer screen and have a few moments of fantasy relaxation far from the RL world. I love watching my ships pass through a new system. I love watching them fight!

What's the point of "3D" graphics and warp points that undulate and rotatable system views when you no longer have the pleasure of watching your ships? They might as well just be represented by a couple pixels of light.

If you don't think it's important to see the ships, that's perfectly fine. To each his own. But perhaps you should say "I don't need to see the ships" (meaning you yourself don't need to see them). For me, seeing my ships is a big deal, and not seeing them any more is a step backward, and a game-breaker.

But if that's the way it's going to be for SEV, that's a design decision and that's OK. My opinion is just my opinion. This is not a debating society. I'm not going to change your mind and it's not my place to even try. You certainly are not going to change mine. Everybody is free to buy the game or not.

And here I am repeating things I've said before in other threads...

Phoenix-D · #4 September 28th, 2006, 08:51 PM

I get that you dislike not being able to see the ships on the system screen (never mind that they're bigger in combat, and in the sector view).

The point is that is NOT a UI issue. Its a bit like saying the game is bugged because Null Space Projectors are seekers.

Artaud · #5 September 28th, 2006, 08:59 PM

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I get that you dislike not being able to see the ships on the system screen (never mind that they're bigger in combat, and in the sector view).

The point is that is NOT a UI issue. Its a bit like saying the game is bugged because Null Space Projectors are seekers.

That is ONE thing I dislike. And I'm not a complete idiot, Phoenix; I know that ship size itself is not a UI issue.

But the need to zoom in and out to see them IS a UI issue. And there are other things about the UI that I strongly dislike.

But others have said everything I could possibly say, in great detail.

I don't like the game. Maybe you do. More power to you. I don't want to argue about it.

Captain Kwok · #6 September 28th, 2006, 09:07 PM

I've made a suggestion to Aaron to allow for a display setting under Empire Options to make the ships bigger on the system map. Combined with a reduction in the flag size - it would make a big difference.

But it is a valid concern... I certainly like to see the ships.

Black_Knyght · #7 September 28th, 2006, 09:12 PM

Bug or not, he has an interesting point.

What's the point of playing a game about "space empires", with "spaceships", if your not able to see them in space.

Might as well just use an icon to represent them and not bother with shipsets at all, IMO. But then, that kills some of the fun of the game.

Kind of like not being able to see the ships does....

AMF · #8 September 29th, 2006, 07:55 AM

Everyone is entitled to their opinions.

SO here's mine: if the Demo is any indication of how the final release will be, there is no way I am buying it. I know that I won't play it, and that I would just be aggravated by it. Why would I want to do that?

Suicide Junkie · #9 September 29th, 2006, 08:39 AM

Final release?

It sounds like you probably won't be happy with the initial release unless something surprisingly big happens.
But Aaron is well known for continuing upgrades in the long term. Mods won't be out for a few months anyways.

Matryx · #10 September 29th, 2006, 09:04 AM

Sorry if I'm totally missing the point here but I'm not quite getting the "can't see the ships in space" point?

I'm at work at the moment, but I'm fairly certain the ships were in their hexes last time I looked? Or is this not quite what you meant.

Ooo, better yet, could you explain with screenshots?