SEV: Are there missing ship types?

Suicide Junkie · #1 October 2nd, 2006, 04:15 PM

Everyone should play KwokStock.

Captain Kwok · #2 October 2nd, 2006, 04:23 PM

The main ship hulls in the Balance Mod. Each one has 3 levels. The "max move" figure is just at low tech with no bonuses applied. It's essentially like SE3's system. The mount thresholds are at 400, 750, 1500 for L, H, M.

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             	Start	End		Max	Max	#	Def	Off

Hull	 	Size	Size	EPM	Move	Engines	Crew	Mod.	Mod.	Maint

Frigate		250	300	2	12	5	100	30	0	---

Destroyer	350	400	3	11	7	150	20	0	---

Light Cruiser	450	500	4	11	9	200	10	0	---

Cruiser		600	750	5	10	10	300	0	0	---

Battleship	800	1000	7	10	14	450	-10	0	---

Dreadnought	1000	1250	10	8	16	600	-20	0	---

Baseship	1500	1800	15	6	18	750	-30	0	---

Thanks for the plug SJ! But on a more serious note, many of the beta testers made contributions in the development of the balance mod - so it's just not made for my "tastes".

AAshbery76 · #3 October 2nd, 2006, 04:44 PM

If many of the beta's helped, the question is why isn't the balance in the game itself?

Captain Kwok · #4 October 2nd, 2006, 04:49 PM

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AAshbery76 said:
If many of the beta's helped, the question is why isn't the balance in the game itself?

It was a timing issue. But hope is not yet lost for the future.

dmm · #5 October 2nd, 2006, 05:36 PM

I LIKE the new way of doing ship sizes. There is less waste. Your old ships can be upgraded to something useful. Besides the obvious increase in tonnage, destroyers can eventually use Large mounts, and cruisers eventually use Heavy mounts. Keep in mind the extra engines allowed for smaller ships. I think they maneuver better, too (but I might be imagining that). Plus, a little research to get more tonnage-efficient crew quarters and life support makes even more tonnage available for weapons, etc. Those old destroyers lying around can become a fearsome (and hard-to-hit) force. If nothing else, they make better support ships than they did in SEIV.

Fyron · #6 October 2nd, 2006, 05:38 PM

They do maneuver better; look in VehicleSizes.txt to see turn and acceleration rates for the various ship sizes.

bearclaw · #7 October 2nd, 2006, 05:51 PM

I love the new way of handling/researching ship hulls! This is very similar to how I've done ship hull research in DN4. SEV just takes it a step further with being able to upgrade and such.

Love it!

Santiago · #8 October 2nd, 2006, 08:43 PM

I was going to say Kwok's "balance was somewhat out of whack but it's probably just typos

Destroyer start size 400 end size 3 max engines 150? Bet that ship is a speed demon for its 7 move. Faster it goes -smaller it gets. With only 20 crew.

baseship also, Start size 1800 end size 15 and with -30 crew lol Hope that's not in your mod

Santiago · #9 October 2nd, 2006, 10:45 PM

@ Fyron- poor attempt at humor on my part

The destroyer and baseship are slightly shifted to the left on the table I see. I assumed everyone seen it that way.

Ie: Frigate (space space) 250 300 etc
Destroyer350 400 3 etc
Baseship 1500 1800 15 etc

No big deal- just wondering if anyone else seen it messed up?

Artaud · #10 October 5th, 2006, 11:13 PM

I think (he can correct me if I'm wrong) Thorfrog is concerned about graphic representations of different hull classes. A myriad of hull upgrade possibilities is nice, but some people like the different appearance of different types of hulls. I'm one of those people.

It's less fun if you have fewer visual representations of hull types. I personally would rather have cruisers represented by one icon, battlecruisers by a second and battleships represented by a third than have several classes of cruiser hulls represented by a single icon. Lots of hull upgrades for cruisers (all using the same ship icon), and then moving to a battleship icon with lots of upgrades but no change in icon appearance, is just not my personal cup of tea.