SE:V Manual Released

[Tim Brooks]

By the way, amusing little tidbit in the SFI EULA:
"You may not: ..Alter, decompile, modify reverse engineer or disassemble the Software, create derivative works based upon the Software,..
..Upload or transmit the Software, or any portion thereof, to any electronic bulletin board, network, or other type of multi-use computer system regardless of purpose"

Wouldn't that technically forbid mods?

That wouldn't technically forbid mods -- that totally forbids mods.

Did S1 just copy the warranty from Shrapnel since although they are in Canada they are quoting Shrapnels location?

That's correct. They took our License Agreement word for word and then just changed the publisher from us to them. They didn't even change the location

[Fyron]

Well, text files and bitmaps are hardly "software."

[Randallw]

I checked the PDF that came with my Australian copy and it does have the North carolina stuff

I can't find anything called a warranty disclaimer in my hard copy booklet, but there is a Software licence agreement at the back. It does have the stuff about not modifying the software but as Fyron says that appears to be executable "software" not text files and images.

What is different is that it talks of Canadian federal and international copyright law and says the agreement will be governed by the laws of Canada and the province of Quebec.

[Tim Brooks]

Well, text files and bitmaps are hardly "software."

The key statement here is:

"create derivative works based upon the Software"

That would be mods.

[jimbob]

Hey Tim,

Perhaps you guys can charge them for your lawyer's time?

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And for the rest of us, we'd just better hope that Quebec doesn't succeed in separating and forming a new country!

[Tim Brooks]

Perhaps you guys can charge them for your lawyer's time?

Too funny jimbob!

If we did, they'd just declare bankruptcy.

[cshank2]

Derivative works would be, like... Someone going out and making 'Squidge, loneliest little Eee' First-Person Adventure game and then selling it for profit.

Mods are not considered derivative software because they have to be run on the original and are not being sold for money. (If they're sold for money, though, they can be nailed.)

Of course, when creating a mod based off something (BSG, ST, SW, B5) you have to be careful with THEIR copyright laws.

Well, as a closer. Strategy First sucks... I mean, I held out hope, but god... I compared the SEIV and SEV manuals, and, well, the SEIV one beats 'em by leaps and bounds. Not only that, S1 has a nasty history of screwing their partners. In the not-so-friendly way, too.


(least, I think that's right.)

[Q]

Oh my god, this is just incredibly careless!
I would fire any person who publishes such **** (censored).
It really makes me reconsider where I shall buy SE V.
Couldn't Shrapnel get a license to sell it as does apparently Steam, and some other companies?

[Randallw]

cshank2 said:
Derivative works would be, like... Someone going out and making 'Squidge, loneliest little Eee' First-Person Adventure game and then selling it for profit.

or space empires shooters. Look out Fyron. Yeah I know you're not selling it.

[Fyron]

Randallw said:
or space empires shooters. Look out Fyron. Yeah I know you're not selling it.

Well... Shrapnel would have to be the one to sue me over that, since I used graphics from the game they published (SE4 1.91).