OT: Insightful (re: Amish shooting)

[Renegade 13]

Mephisto, I get the impression you might be a defense lawyer

Dmm, I would argue that some of what is in the Bible would be considered to be highly amoral today. The taking of slaves? The castrating of captured men/boys? That kind of argues against human morality being passed down from God, who would most likely have a higher sense of morality than what the Bible contains.

(Note, I'm using the Bible as an example only, since Christianity is the only religion I have any knowledge of, and shouldn't be construed as an attack.)

[rdouglass]

Morality is a purely human concept.

God is sovereign so morality is not relevant.

I know it sounds lame but God doesn't have to explain anything to us humans. There are stories in the Bible where God instructs a leader to kill *all* traces of another people or village. If the leaders did not follow his command, He punished those leaders as well for not following His will.

That would not be moral by any human standard. But that's the point; God is not human but He is sovereign. Putting morality and God together just doesn't work in any explination that would satisfy any logical human. So don't bother trying; it's a stupid arguement. God doesn't have to explain *anything* to us yet we will have to explain *everything* to Him.

We *will* have to explain to Him our reasonings and our belief (or lack of) that we post here on this forum whether you choose to believe that now or not. I know what I want to be able to say....

[narf poit chez BOOM]

rdouglass said:
Morality is a purely human concept.

God is sovereign so morality is not relevant.

I know it sounds lame but God doesn't have to explain anything to us humans. There are stories in the Bible where God instructs a leader to kill *all* traces of another people or village. If the leaders did not follow his command, He punished those leaders as well for not following His will.

That would not be moral by any human standard. But that's the point; God is not human but He is sovereign. Putting morality and God together just doesn't work in any explination that would satisfy any logical human. So don't bother trying; it's a stupid arguement. God doesn't have to explain *anything* to us yet we will have to explain *everything* to Him.

We *will* have to explain to Him our reasonings and our belief (or lack of) that we post here on this forum whether you choose to believe that now or not. I know what I want to be able to say....

The only one I remember is the Isrealite invasion of the promised land - And that was explained as due to wickedness.

I don't know about you, but I can easily envision a society so corrupt the only alternative is destruction.

Anyway, this thread was originally about violence against women. Let's shift back, shall we?

[Slynky]

Thank you, AMF, for posting this. I might suggest the subject title should be, "Inciteful" instead...as any decent man should rail againt [censored] like this!

[Renegade 13]

rdouglass said:
Morality is a purely human concept.

God is sovereign so morality is not relevant.

I know it sounds lame but God doesn't have to explain anything to us humans. There are stories in the Bible where God instructs a leader to kill *all* traces of another people or village. If the leaders did not follow his command, He punished those leaders as well for not following His will.

That would not be moral by any human standard. But that's the point; God is not human but He is sovereign. Putting morality and God together just doesn't work in any explination that would satisfy any logical human. So don't bother trying; it's a stupid arguement. God doesn't have to explain *anything* to us yet we will have to explain *everything* to Him.

We *will* have to explain to Him our reasonings and our belief (or lack of) that we post here on this forum whether you choose to believe that now or not. I know what I want to be able to say....

I'll just say that I disagree with you on all counts, and leave it there. I don't want to start religious flaming, and know there can be no reasoning with people who think like you obviously do.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

On-topic, please. We've barely touched the original topic.

[Elsemeravin]

narf poit chez BOOM said:
On-topic, please. We've barely touched the original topic.

Let's go back to the original discussion, for the origine ofthe universe most important topic.... CHEESE !

[Xrati]

Can we say that the original topic of the “de-humanization” and violence against women exists because of our inability to focus on the subject and we continue to deviate from the Topic? Maybe our attention span is so short these days that we actually lose track of where we are going!
We live in such a fast paced society that just maybe we need to pay more attention to the topics rather then move on to other subjects like religion. Violence against women is a serious subject and maybe if we just focused our attention on it we could actually do something about it.

[Fyron]

Traditional male domination over women has to do with fundamental genetic imperatives deriving from the makeup of male and female humans and the roles that almost always came about as a result of it... Noone said all of these genetic imperatives were necessarily good things. Some must be striven to overcome.

[Mephisto]

Renegade 13 said:
Mephisto, I get the impression you might be a defense lawyer

Actually ... no. I'm *supposed* doing IT contractual law but in effect do everything the firm is throwing at me.
But the the university courses about criminal laws and the source and nature of crime weren't wasted.