Future European Combat Systems (Germany + France)

Alpha · #1 October 26th, 2006, 06:00 PM

Clearly the german vehicle is better, but probably also more expensive.

PlasmaKrab · #2 October 27th, 2006, 03:51 AM

Clearly both aren't designed for the same purpose, are they?

Looks like the VBCI/Vextra is rather in the same ballpark as the MRAV/GTK Boxer. Why France didn't run along with the MRAV program from the beginning, I cannot say.
I know the requirements were different (e.g. a heavier, more combat-worthy vehicle to replace light IFVs, rather than a rear-echelon battle taxi to replace the M-113, Fuchs, FV-432, Saxon and YP-408 as light APCs), but the end results seem so similar...

Alpha · #3 October 28th, 2006, 03:32 PM

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PlasmaKrab said:
Clearly both aren't designed for the same purpose, are they?

Yup, clearly. Just wanted to be bit "patriotic"

Well wasn�t the first real IFV the BMP1 ?

I always thought, that the Marder was a bit to heavy and high (bigger target) compared to BMP. Also the 20mm cannon isn�t as good as 30mm. While i admit that for a timespan the MArder was a good IFV with 20mm, Mg and Milan rockets. Probably a battlegroup mixed with Leopards were quite powerful.

PlasmaKrab · #4 October 29th, 2006, 07:26 AM

Well, the Marder-II would have been an impressive thing, but it was certainly too expensive and not deployable enough for post-cold-war contingencies. I've never seen it mounted with missiles tubes, but I guess it would have got a couple of TRIGAT-MRs fireable from under armour...

Alpha · #5 October 29th, 2006, 11:24 AM

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PlasmaKrab said:
Well, the Marder-II would have been an impressive thing, but it was certainly too expensive and not deployable enough for post-cold-war contingencies. I've never seen it mounted with missiles tubes, but I guess it would have got a couple of TRIGAT-MRs fireable from under armour...

Yup, big thing. I saw the prototype in the Munster Tank Museum

RecruitMonty · #6 October 30th, 2006, 02:08 PM

Has anyone got any information on it, Weapon loadout, unit specs, armour etc. Has anyone got any shps of it either? I just got the urge to mod it into the game.

PlasmaKrab · #7 October 31st, 2006, 10:15 AM

Modding the Marder-II, you mean? You're well aware that what is left of the program is a field trials testbed rusting away in a tank museum?

If so, alright, I've included it in my mod, so I guess I could send you an obf including it (worth noting that all of the data is guesswork or extrapolations, so not necessarily worth the bother). I've icons for it too (see "Proposed/Failed Program Icon Submittal Thread"), and you can find a decent lbm already in the game (number 44068).
But if you can find real data for it, feel free to create one yourself!