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Old January 11th, 2007, 04:19 PM
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Default Re: Elemental paths, crippling, ethereals...

Iron Dragons are flying, unbreakable tramplers... but if memory serves, there MR is not that high for the research level, and you still aren't allowed to do a flying body slam.

The whole "doesn't use its other attacks" bit is why I rarely build Boots of the Behemoth or the Stymphalian Wings.


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In addition, aye, it's pretty true that pretty much anything can be stopped by something. That counter may require much research or luck, and there are sometimes balance issues (see the arguments regarding Helheim/Vanheim in blitzes, the extremely high utility of lifedraining weapons and quickness boots in the previous iteration), but the game isn't really designed among nigh-unstoppable superunits.

Not like you've got just a platoon of M4A3s staring across a 2km open plain versus a hull-down Jagdtiger which is already positioned to aim at a bridge you've been ordered to cross. Even a lowly Flagellant has a slight chance to cause some lasting pain... especially if it's D9 or B9 blessed, and the target's defense has been lowered by swarming and fatigue (or better, paralysis).

Even a Tartarian Titan with Magebane + Aegis will be, at a minimum, paralyzed by a Petrify spell, or sent to Inferno with the Infernal Sword, or seriously wounded if hit by Gifts from Heaven, or taking unstoppable damage from Dust to Dust or Wither Bones, or so forth. There are ugly situations, some potentially quite unfair (Ancient Presence event smacking capital or getting 2x 3000-gold + magic items events early might also be huge) but there's normally more than one possible counter rather than a strict hierarchy of tactics or anything unbeatable.
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Old January 12th, 2007, 01:41 PM

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Default Re: Elemental paths, crippling, ethereals...

On elephants vs. ethereals... well, I just found out the hard way that you guys were right. I just tried to take a castle from Midgaard, and I ran into an army of dispossessed spirits. My elephants won, but took significant casualties (a pack of 30 elephants normally wipes out 100 light infantry with no casualties at all)

Then Midgaard struck back with spring hawks, and my elephants got ripped apart brutally.

So... the moral seems to be, tramplers are great in the early game before ethereal troops show up. After that, it looks like it's better to switch over to knights (if you have them -- LA Arcosephale has "companions")
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Default Re: Elemental paths, crippling, ethereals...

Having a few low-level priests on hand can wipe out huge numbers of dispossessed spirits.

They're undead, and their lonely hit point means that if they even catch a whiff of banishment they burn up in a hurry. You can still bring the elephants along if you have the right counter-counters
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Default Re: Elemental paths, crippling, ethereals...

You could also bring in a bunch of priests and have the elephants "hold and attack" rearmost. That way the priests have a chance to blow away lots of undead before your elephants charge to the rear.
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