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RVPERTVS said:
Thanks a lot Andy! So this means the ruskies aren´t going to be stripped of level 40 vision (prior to 90´s) after all. Sweet!

Regards
Robert

WE never said they were going to be stripped out but that's how it got spun out of control. The HINDS prior to 1990 were the real issue. The ACRV-2 and PRP-2 and PRP-3 FO vehicles are unchanged. This is NOT, as some have implied, a "plot" to emasculate the Warsaw pact forces in the game. The POINT of it all was to bring the unit that were out of line, into reality and that, in 90% of the cases was various HINDs in various OOB's. Western OOB's were seached for units with Vision ratings higher than they should be for various time periods as well.

Don

[RVPERTVS]

DRG said:
WE never said they were going to be stripped out but that's how it got spun out of control. The HINDS prior to 1990 were the real issue. The ACRV-2 and PRP-2 and PRP-3 FO vehicles are unchanged. This is NOT, as some have implied, a "plot" to emasculate the Warsaw pact forces in the game. The POINT of it all was to bring the unit that were out of line, into reality and that, in 90% of the cases was various HINDs in various OOB's. Western OOB's were seached for units with Vision ratings higher than they should be for various time periods as well.
Don

Thanks for your reply Don, I knew since the begining that the discusion was about MBTs, it seems that MY confusion was regarding the vision 40 value, I didn´t know that it models TI and GSR alike .Everything is clear now.

Regards
Robert

[Kuklinovsky]

As for Hinds and TI: I suggest you to look closely at Mi-24K/Hind G-2 model!

[DRG]

Kuklinovsky said:
As for Hinds and TI: I suggest you to look closely at Mi-24K/Hind G-2 model!

Ya know buddy, I'm getting fed up with your attitude. If you have information to share then SHARE IT instead of working so very hard at being obnoxious. WHAT EXACTLY am I supposed to be "Looking closely" at this model for?

Here's what I have on it

"Mi-24K (korrektirovchik: corrector) ('Hind-G2'): As Mi-24R, but with large camera in cabin, f8/1,300mm lens on starboard side; six per helicopter regiment for reconnaissance and artillery fire correction; gun and B-8V-20 rocket pods retained. No target designator pod under nose; upward hingeing cover for IR sensor. About 150 built 1983-89. "

"Mi-24K reconnaissance artillery spotting helicopter intended for ground forces"

"Mi-24K (Hind-G2) : Army reconnaissance, artillery observation helicopter. "

THATS IT. ONE source says it has and IR sensor...NOT a TI sensor... a IR sensor. You have better info ? Great. Let's here what it is and where you found it.

Don

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Kuklinovsky said:
I have found that PRP-4 arty recon vehicle introduced 1984 HAD THERMAL IMAGER in addition to GSR radar! It is proof that USSR HAD thermal sight technology in 1980s! I am sure its further implementations on Soviet helos, UAVs and tanks will be also discovered sooner or later!

Yes that vehicle would appear to be an exception assuming the sources you quoted are correct, but do you have any valid sourses indicating that tanks or attack helicopters of the Soviet Union were equiped whit a thermal imager devices before the 1990's? It is one thing to have thermal imager on a special Recon/FO vehicle than to have it standard on all Main Battle Tanks or Attack helicopters. It might have been that due to the cost of the devices and the Soviet tactics/regulations the devices were not used. It is not only a question if USSR had thermal imaging technology in the 1980's, but were they actualy installed and used on tanks/helos in the 80's. All information available seems to point that they were not.

Kuklinovsky said:
As for Hinds and TI: I suggest you to look closely at Mi-24K/Hind G-2 model!

What I found on the net points to Mi-24K (Hind-G2) being a special purpose reconisance/chemical warfare helicopter not used in large quantities, did not find any information that it had a thermal imager though. Even if it did have a thermal imager and was available in the 80's it would appear to fall into the same special purpose vehicle gategory whit the PRP-4.