Devs somewhere?

NTJedi · #1 February 14th, 2007, 12:28 PM

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I've no problem with KO or JK making only rare appearances here (even if it'll be better if they were here often), but I also think that having a clean, up to date bug lists should be high in *their* priorities and it doesn't seem so... It shouldn't be a volunteer/fan effort, with all due respect.
Thx Edi for stepping up !

I know Dominions_3 is only part-time work for the devs since they have regular full-time careers teaching/working. I noticed the bug thread was a terrible mess, even Kristoffer said the bug thread is no longer useful in its current state. I contacted some moderators and asked them to clean up the bug thread for the developers... the responses I received were quite lazy and uninterested. I even offered to provide them with a list of all the post numbers which were non_bug postings, yet still only lazy responses.

It's a tragedy none of the moderators are fans enough of Dominions_3 to clean the bug thread.

Gandalf Parker · #2 February 14th, 2007, 02:16 PM

The moderators are too smart to clean up the bug lists.
Nobody agrees on what is or isnt a bug. Surely you have all seen enough arguments about my posts to know that you dont want me doing major surgery on that list.

If anyone who is good at managing lists wants to offer a nice clean list and maintain it, feel free to do so. We can replace it as the stickie. (when weeding out spelling bugs please research to see if its an americanism being reported when the english dictionary spelling was used).

But any public bug list isnt worthless. Its a place for people to put the items they feel are bugs. It tends to not be the one and only bug list. Items posted there get considered, and some of them get put on the nice clean bug list in the beta area. And I fully suspect that only some of those get agreed on and moved to an even cleaner bug list in the developers area.

Nick_K · #3 February 14th, 2007, 02:35 PM

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It's a tragedy none of the moderators are fans enough of Dominions_3 to clean the bug thread.

That's not a tragedy. A tragedy is when I have nothing better to do on Valentine's day than post on the romantic Dominions 3 forum.

Velusion · #4 February 14th, 2007, 02:42 PM

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I noticed the bug thread was a terrible mess, even Kristoffer said the bug thread is no longer useful in its current state.

Yea I saw that post by Kristoffer so I don't even bother posting any of the numerous bugs I've found. Someone should really lock that thread, because people are investing effort in something that the Devs really don't care about.

reverend · #5 February 14th, 2007, 02:46 PM

It's not that they don't care about the bugs we find, it's just that the current form of listing them is unusable to them.

Gandalf Parker · #6 February 14th, 2007, 03:04 PM

If you check the views on the bug thread you will see that every bug reported gets viewed many times. Its true that the bug thread became something different than the devs wanted but it definetly still serves its purpose.

Manuk · #7 February 14th, 2007, 03:25 PM

we are already at 3.06 wich means that the game was patched enough and devs are actually working.
But lots of bugs seem ignored from the start, maybe because they are tough to get rid of or judged of second priority.
So far im glad darkvision is fixed, miasma dominion, and we got Lanka nation and some new spells. You can say that there�s a lot changed since 3.00

Meglobob · #8 February 14th, 2007, 03:28 PM

Yea, the devs have done a fair amount of work since the game has come out, we are already on 3.06. Also they already have our $$$ so do not need to do it. We have even had a new nation and I believe more will follow.

Beorne · #9 February 15th, 2007, 05:14 AM

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Yea, the devs have done a fair amount of work since the game has come out, we are already on 3.06. Also they already have our $$$ so do not need to do it. We have even had a new nation and I believe more will follow.

Lot of people with a second work make lots of effort recovering bugs and making improvement to big projects without my $$$ (Wesnoth, and hundred others). The fact IW has my $$$ make me think they should put more effort, not less.
Another thing is that 90% of the bugs are so small (but there are so many) that could me corrected only putting hands on data files. An example are the lots of little discrepancies in the descriptions, the bugs in the data files found by Edi, and so on. And if the devs think a trident is one handed and not two, it is not a problem, a line in the forum would delete the bug.
And do not tell me "then do it yourself by modding", I don't have time nor, more importantly, your $$$. And modding should be used to add contenent, or eventually, to resolve some banlancing issues not shared by the devs, but not to correct bugs.
Finally hearing that people find bugs and does not report them because K.O. does not look the thread anymore ... well, makes me sad.

Velusion · #10 February 14th, 2007, 03:42 PM

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If you check the views on the bug thread you will see that every bug reported gets viewed many times. Its true that the bug thread became something different than the devs wanted but it definetly still serves its purpose.

I fail to see how "Lots of views" = "Serves it's purpose". I thought the thread's purpose was to get bugs fixed?

(waits for the "there are two ways to look at this" Gandalf response)