More LA R'lyeh and spellcasting questions

Nick_K · #1 February 15th, 2007, 06:22 PM

I suspect that the void monsters are free. It's probably the dreamers that need upkeep

RonD · #2 February 15th, 2007, 06:26 PM

The only summons that cost money are ones that can also be recruited in some way (so that they have a specific gold cost associated with them). Trolls are the main ones that come to mind, but there are probably a few others.

danm · #3 February 15th, 2007, 06:31 PM

SOME summons cost money.

Trolls being a primary offender.

The speculation, is that any summon that CAN be recruited for cash will cost upkeep when summoned. (edit: Like RonD said - hehe)

I love trolls on general principal, and was personally heartbroken that they turned out to be soo darn greedy (

Corwin · #4 February 16th, 2007, 12:24 AM

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Nick_K said:
I suspect that the void monsters are free. It's probably the dreamers that need upkeep

No, at least some of the void summons cost money as well. For example that "Big Black Wave" void creature (whatever its name was) is quite expensive, similar in cost to troll creature.

Humer · #5 February 16th, 2007, 05:46 AM

I keep drowning those annoying triton dreamers, after seas are mine of course, by Gateway (S4 10gems Thau-5) to a land province. Be sure to equip your mage with leadership-boosters for maximum transport ability. Human-freespawns (mad and dreamers) drown nicely on the way back to sea lab.

Gateway stone (sp? artifact) should work too.

Ferrying all those spawns is really a major PITA when your dominion (and province count) gets high.

Edi · #6 February 16th, 2007, 07:11 AM

Void summons are free. Freespawn hybrids cost 9 or 11 gold per unit, hybrid troopers 14 and hybrid soldiers are more expensive. Mad priests, madmen otehr similar are 1 gold per unit, so every 15 cost 1 upkeep.

As an aside, Mictlan slaves cost 1, most crossbreeding foul spawns cost 1 and BF Ulm thralls cost 2.

Trolls cost 60, sea trolls 50, war trolls 80 and troll moose knights ~80. I don't have the unit DB (or Open Office, so it's a moot point) at work or I could check most of those numbers for accuracy. You'll get to see them once I get done, which won't be all that long anymore since #1-1475 are already done as are a good chunk of the remaining ones. Couple of weeks tops and the Unit DB should be ready.

Edi

Corwin · #7 February 16th, 2007, 08:12 AM

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Edi said:
Void summons are free. Freespawn hybrids cost 9 or 11 gold per unit, hybrid troopers 14 and hybrid soldiers are more expensive. Mad priests, madmen otehr similar are 1 gold per unit, so every 15 cost 1 upkeep.

Hmmm, that's strange. Are you absolutely sure that all void summons are free? I am asking because I did several experiments back then when I was looking at that "free" R'leyh stuff really costs, and found out it actually costs upkeep. You are right about 1 gold per unit price for most "mad" troops.

But I could have swear that the "big black wave" void summons costed about 60gp each. Because on the turn when I got 3 of these things and nothing else, my upkeep jumped by 6gp. That means 2gp per unit, that means they should cost around 60gp each (since they are sacred). I only kept one provice for my experiments, so nothing could have spawned outside my capital.

I suppose there is a small possibility that somehow I've overlooked something during that turn. But are you sure about what you said about all void summons being free?

llamabeast · #8 February 16th, 2007, 08:17 AM

As indicated by Edi and the rest, it's not actually true that the only summons that cost money are the ones that can be recruited in some way. It seems that actually quite a lot of summons cost money. As I understand it, the main ones that don't are mindless things like undead, vine ogres, mechanical men and so on - is that right Edi? How about demons other than foul spawns?

Edi · #9 February 16th, 2007, 08:48 AM

The only demon that costs upkeep is Buer the Goat Sun. He has a cost of 100 which translates to an upkeep of ~6-7.

I have not seen ANY void summon that costs gold. Of the foul spawns/crossbred creatures, Ettin sosts 20 and the four-clawed big humanoid spawn is 15. Trolls, as mentioned above of course. Almost everything else is 0 goldcost.

What might be throwing people off is that lots of national heroes have a gold cost and therefore also cost upkeep money. E.g. Shadul Ummush the Traitor King has a gold cost of 290 like the normal Atlantean Deep Kings, so he hits the pocket book for about 19 and change per turn. All of these are going into the bug list once I'm done.

Edi