forge of the ancients stack with dwarven hammer?

thejeff · #1 February 28th, 2007, 02:54 PM

That sounds right.
It looks like the personal bonuses stack. Items and any bonus the unit might have. Mage Smiths with dwarven hammers are definitely 50%.
Then global and site bonuses are applied individually to the remaining cost.

Taqwus · #2 February 28th, 2007, 03:23 PM

Mmm hmm. To get 100+ forge bonus, you either need an intrinsic +50 forge bonus (which doesn't exist on any unit I'm aware of, unmodded). If you have three arms (fairly unusual...) and a +25 forge bonus (not a combo that I'm aware of), you could do it with either 2hd artifact forge hammer and a dwarven hammer. Four arms, use both 2hd hammers, or 1 2hd + 1 dwarf + intrinsic +25 or better.

Of course, the Hammer of the Cyclops is only available if you either wish for it or if somebody finds and kills the indy Cyclops, and then manages to grab the hammer. It's a slightly superior (forge bonus is the same, but IIRC combat stats are slightly better) version of the Hammer of the Forge Lord.

Wish · #3 February 28th, 2007, 03:49 PM

there must be some cap... in my test I just wished for the hammer of the cyclops, paired with forge lord the nataraja has a 100 forge bonus.

wizard rings still cost 6 astral.

Wish · #4 February 28th, 2007, 03:51 PM

there seems to be a hard cap of 10% (rounded down) of the item must be payed for (the robe of invulnerability cost 4 earth to forge)

of course that means soul contracts for 6 blood 1 fire.

can't argue with that.

mivayan · #5 February 28th, 2007, 08:30 PM

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Wish_For_Blood_Slaves said:
of course that means soul contracts for 6 blood 1 fire.

Nah. Soul contract is the only item which isn't affected by forge bonuses.

Wish · #6 March 1st, 2007, 12:27 AM

interesting!

after testing: lifelong protection works the same way...

maynbe the gift of the kurgi should as well... since these are sacrificed virgis and not raw materials. (but it doesn't, it gets the bonus)

lch · #7 March 1st, 2007, 08:20 AM

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Wish_For_Blood_Slaves said:
interesting!

after testing: lifelong protection works the same way...

maynbe the gift of the kurgi should as well... since these are sacrificed virgis and not raw materials. (but it doesn't, it gets the bonus)

An alternative explanation: The soul contract and lifelong protection require a sacrifice, the other things can really be forged.

General_Jah · #8 February 28th, 2007, 04:25 PM

thanks for the detailed input guys i appreciate it!