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March 20th, 2007, 12:00 AM
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Re: Could u stop Gorgon?
Drain Life does armor-negating 100-prec unresistable damage from a distance. Boots of Quickness + Standard of the Damned = 2x life drain per round. Leech also works.
Petrify is remote, always-hits, and causes paralysis even if it's resisted.
A flying Bane Lord with a nasty weapon like Gate Cleaver, boots of quickness, and an antimagic talisman can do wonders against anybody who's relying on time to cast buffs.
Massed Faeries (massive stun damage from the elf shots) and Mandragoras / Mannikin (sleep vines get 3att each or so, making swarms dangerous) can also be ugly.
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March 20th, 2007, 04:27 PM
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Re: Could u stop Gorgon?
easy to stop, i did some tests.....magic res19 alone is enough maybe lower works too.
but things with magic res udner 10 have no chance at all. usually gorgon is good to expand early on, but against other tough commanders with high magic res or just unique monsters she is pretty dead. high cost magic paths, too. there are far bette pretenders, like talking cyclops with high earth and fire and forging some good weapons for him. and you can have aegis shield too that is the same effect as what gorgon has. thing is you get that special way later, but with buffs most other SC pretender can kill weak indies anyways, i usually play indie strenght 8.
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March 20th, 2007, 04:32 PM
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Re: Could u stop Gorgon?
Cyclops is a dangerous pretender to use as an SC. He has an alarming tendency to get his single eye poked out.
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March 20th, 2007, 04:39 PM
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Re: Could u stop Gorgon?
well, thats rather cool and there are ways to cure him. at leat priestess works on him unlike on some undead pretenders like PoD, the aegis shield still works even if he is blind too 
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March 20th, 2007, 04:42 PM
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Re: Could u stop Gorgon?
curse + armies is a lot more likely to cause permanent afflictions on a cyclops too.
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March 20th, 2007, 05:08 PM
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Re: Could u stop Gorgon?
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March 20th, 2007, 05:20 PM
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Re: Could u stop Gorgon?
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FrankTrollman said:
The Gorgorn is actually pretty easy to stop. In melee she doesn't actually kill skeletons faster than a couple of skele spammers can throw them up. Sure, their low MR makes them die each round when they attack - but the stream of skeletons moves in fast enough that she doesn't make any forward prgress. Occassionally one of them makes a lucky hit and the Gorgon gets a battle affliction. Eventually she runs or dies. She might not kill any real troops.
Seriously, enchantment 3 and some Bakemono Sorcerers or Grand Thaumaturges and the battles is a foregone conclusion.
More importantly, should the gorgon get a battle result of "Mute" or "Feebleminded" she is unlikely to survive the battle against any opponents. A gorgon is a serious roll of the dice t the start of the game that can easily end with a dead gorgon.
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So easy is it to stop or kill a gorgon in fact, that I regard her as a bad goddess for Pangaea. Pangaea has serious problems getting into secondary paths of magic, and a big Earth/Nature goddess doesn't help that at all.
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Versus a naked gorgon all that is a possibility, once they have equip and buffs (such as the OP references) skelly spamming will do nothing besides time out the battle if you have huge amounts.
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March 20th, 2007, 05:41 PM
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Re: Could u stop Gorgon?
My gorgon never leaves my dominion, and she is pretty good in melee combat, with an aoe damage fire sword, lightning helm.
But the biggest drawback of the gorgon is low hps. But she can fly-and thus pick her fights. If I see a big army that looks to be made to kill my gorgon, expect it to meet another army. loaded with well equipped bane lords, war minotaurs, longbows,
and mechanical men.
And late game in my own dominion, you will face the gorgon in a haunted forest, and unless you have a lot astral gems, gift of health as well. Those dead troops turn into manikins that will aid my gorgon in melee.
Sure there are many good SCers, but how many come with built-in high protection, petrification, fear, flying, poison immunity? Best of all, she heals her own afflictions, unlike most other scers.(we have a "house" rule against using immortal gods, as that is considered super cheese).
By the time she appears after a brief nap,
i usually have 4 construction researched or am close.
With some nature artifacts, like eye shield, ring regeneration, snake bladder stick, silver hauberk(if have air gems) or black steel plate, she can easily take most indies.
Cyclops is one of my least favorite scers, as arrows tend to take out his only eye(:
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March 20th, 2007, 05:12 PM
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Re: Could u stop Gorgon?
well against the armies there is that aegis shield,high hp are still high hp, and except for the cripple afflication that reduce AP a lot its not that bad to have afflicitons especially if you can heal them. with some items and healing units affliction do not mean so much. better have all item slots availible and good hp for SC. gorgon for example can die in 1-2 hits if there is not especially high dominion. arther more a psychologic thing those afflication i used to often play with undead and their souless armies....they had afflictions too but hardly stopped them  and if you do not have any good items and cyclops lost his only eye and still is alive you can move him back in a lab and let him cast some rituals and do some research. well, its not that i think cyclops is the best god there is, just i would prefere him over gorgon any day as any strong unit with a bit of good magic res can quickly kill her.
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