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Puke · #1 January 22nd, 2002, 05:31 AM

ts: is this supposed to be a RP game? if it is not, i would not worry about it at all and start planning for battle. since you have a symetrical map where rough starting positions are known, players are probably taking a pure tactical approach.

he could be doing lots of things with those ships. but if you found them while cloaked and thus avoided diplomatic contact and he is unaware of your existance in a role playing sense, (and IF it has been predetermined as a RP game where players have agreed to pretend not to know about each other until contact has been made) there are a couple possibilities. 1, he heard about your race from some third race. 2, he is 'cheating,' in the loosest interpretation of the word. in the second case, there are a few things you can do: 1, mention it to him and see what he says. 2, mention it to the game admin. 3, take note of whats happening now, and mention it after he sneak attacks you. 4, circle your wagons and prepair to defend yourself.

but if you were not aware of each other before, how do you know the total number of his ships to figure out that this group is 1/3 of that?

tesco samoa · #2 January 23rd, 2002, 02:47 AM

he told me he has over 300 ships and this fleet is about 1/3 of that total.

I have decided to take the fleet out since I believe he will keep it stationary near the warp point. So I can build up for another 4 to 6 turns and then send a fleet down there to attack it, before it attacks me.

I think it will only be fair to completely destroy the fleet and then talk about it afterwards and how I thought the 'surprise' was cheating...... then forget about the whole thing as a lession learned, and randomly create maps for now on.

mac5732 · #3 January 22nd, 2002, 07:48 PM

TS, the way you have explained it, I agree that your map starting points is more the problem. It wouldn't matter if he knew exactly where you were. He would know that you started in one of the cornors and he could just build up until he was ready. I think your better off with a game where no one knows where each of you start.

just some ideas mac

Growltigga · #4 January 23rd, 2002, 11:01 AM

TS - I agree with Mac on this but I have to admit, keeping a third of your fleet sitting in an empty system where there is no apparent threat is decidely fishier than a week old herring.

I am personally (given my newness to actually playing SEIV - on turn 32 of my second game) extremely surprised as to the size of the fleet - 300 ships?? I presume these are all dinky types?

Growltigga · #5 January 23rd, 2002, 11:41 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Gryphin:
Growltigga,
I was re - reading the post, I ran across this,
"You must remember the old military adage - "never engage in a direct frontal attack against an enemy equipped with efficient projectile weaponry"
Yes, I believe the English taught that to the French at Agincourt with the longbow.

We did, didn't we? - do you know, it must be something hereditary as everytime I see a Peuguot, Citroen or Renault, I always have an urge to shoot 3 feet of tempered steel and oak through the windscreen - strange that

tesco samoa · #6 January 23rd, 2002, 07:25 PM

turn 74 and started with 10 planets. So they are criUsers, carriers, gun ships (350 kg ) and light cruisers. So were looking at 3rd and 2nd rate of the line ships. Battleships and dreadnaughts are starting to come out now.

10 Planet start really speads the game up.

At this point the top players should have almost 2.5 million points.

Those dinky class ships ( 400 kg and under are always useful especially with the defencive bonuses and extra engines )

Saxon · #7 January 24th, 2002, 09:06 AM

TS: As far as the ethical point of view, I think your opponent can be absolved of guilt. When you do a planned map, everyone knows roughly where the other players will be as the set up is supposed to give everyone a decent start. Given that, it would be almost impossible for someone not to let this knowledge influence their plans, short of deliberately putting themselves in a dumb position. Your opponent may have gone farther than others in using this knowledge, but I suspect everyone has used it to some extent.

The option of random starts is not one I like, as you can be given a hopeless position. However, it does avoid the situation of “impossible knowledge”, where people know something about the universe they shouldn’t. It is a trade off.

However, if you do not agree with me letting him off the hook, you can still look forward to administering your sentence and punishment on his fleet. Imagine his face when he opens his turn and finds his mighty fleet turned into a highly radioactive cloud by an invisible enemy. And if you do agree with me, I would still go ahead and hammer his fleet, it is a sound strategic move.