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April 18th, 2007, 07:18 AM
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Re: The Fortification Pack (work in progress)
Nice addition.
I have a few related questions. Which way is front? If the right side, then is this designed as an shelter against artillery? If to the left, is the grey section ("2" on the drawing) a fighting trench? If so, what's your thinking on representing rifle fire from the squaddies? It seems a bit wasteful to provide 2.25m of concrete for a hidey hole with only a couple of mgs.
Art comment: The "sun" is top right so the shaded area on the cloche should be rotated 45 degrees clockwise.
I'm looking forward to seeing what else you have planned.
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April 18th, 2007, 08:53 AM
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Re: The Fortification Pack (work in progress)
Which way is front?
I assume you mean the side pointing towards the enemy? It's the one with the cloche on it. (right)
If the right side, then is this designed as an shelter against artillery?
Pretty much yeah. It's actually a two level bunker, with room to sleep 50~ people.
If to the left, is the grey section ("2" on the drawing) a fighting trench?
No, it's a fougasse. Modern day version of the ancient moat.
The two (1) items in the diagram are actually drawbridges which can be cranked in or pulled up, and as a bonus, if you try to throw a grenade or satchel charge at the entrance, the charge will end up inside the fougasse and explode away from the entrance.
It seems a bit wasteful to provide 2.25m of concrete for a hidey hole with only a couple of mgs.
2.25m is actually quite light, being only Level 2 and protects from 240mm weapons. The French went up to level four and protection from 400~mm weapons in their bunkers.
As for the few MGs, yeah, it does seem wasteful, but it's primary purpose is to provide a gastight, artillery proof barracks for 50~ men (possibly as high as 100 if hotbunking is used), which is connected via an underground tunnel to other fighting bunkers and positions.
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April 18th, 2007, 06:49 PM
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Re: The Fortification Pack (work in progress)
Doing some exploratory work, so I can understand and set up the icon just right, so that it looks "right" when placed on a reverse slope.
I ditched the hand drawn earth and stuff over the bunker in favor of a transparent line, so that you can make the bunker blend in with terrain...
Just needs a bit more work....
Got it to work. New icon attached.
Settings to use in ShpED:
X Size: 88
Y Size: 88
X Offs: 0
Y Offs: 0
Left: -55
Top: -35
Right: 0
Bottom: 33
It really does work like a charm.
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April 18th, 2007, 11:12 PM
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Re: The Fortification Pack (work in progress)
Very nice. So I gather that this will be just one of a series of bunker types - looking forward to seeing more.
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April 19th, 2007, 02:16 AM
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Re: The Fortification Pack (work in progress)
Okay, so this is one I haven't figured out the armor for.
When the British essentially bombed Gneiesenau (sp?) so badly that she had to be scrapped, her turrets were re-used for coastal defense in Norway and elsewhere.
Here's the SHPed Specs:
Hull/Barbette:
X Size: 88
Y Size: 88
X Offs: 0
Y Offs: 0
Left: -21
Top: -21
Right: 20
Bottom: 20
Turret:
X Size: 88
Y Size: 88
X Offs: 0
Y Offs: 0
Left: -29
Top: -18
Right: 48
Bottom: 20
I'm attaching the drawing I used to help do it; so if anyone wants to take a crack at improving my icon.....
Apparently I got it wrong. The Germans removed the stereoscopic rangefinder hoods from the turrets when they remounted them in Norway, and put it onto a concrete pedestal:

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April 21st, 2007, 02:55 AM
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Re: The Fortification Pack (work in progress)
Redid the base and the turrets to represent the historical ones more closely based on photos.
Also included a Postwar color scheme for the turret; since after WW2; the Norwegians simply took the battery over and used it actively until 1974!!!!
Here's the SHPed Specs for the new redone icons:
Concrete Base:
X Size: 88
Y Size: 88
X Offs: 0
Y Offs: 0
Left: -41
Top: -27
Right: 40
Bottom: 27
Turret:
X Size: 88
Y Size: 88
X Offs: 0
Y Offs: 0
Left: -29
Top: -15
Right: 48
Bottom: 14
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April 22nd, 2007, 01:57 PM
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Re: The Fortification Pack (work in progress)
Very cool work. I like it a lot!
Narwan
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