Western OPFOR in Durango Valley

[pdoktar]

Maybe professional armies are better conducting war operations, but novadays it seems that the real war starts, when the operations are over. Then I might disagreee, because given the civilian nature of consctripts, they should be better at ending those wars, and getting people to side for them not against, as we see in Iraq.

[loktarr]

I would say that when you come to involve conscripts in war, reason are such that nobody in invaded population will dare to resist... See what happened in Germany after 1945.

[PlasmaKrab]

Loktarr, the French tank could have been a Leclerc early in the 90s, AFAIK the first ones came in service in very small quantities in 1992. Shortly afterwards you could have had enough of them in operational trials to conduct some multinational cross-training. And there's no way you can mitake a Leclerc for an AMX-30, particularly if the US visual recog training is the best as well

Any idea how to keep the US unit list and remove the Chinese one? Or to take the map, buy new units for OPFOR and rebuy same US units? (without doing it one by one).

Hmm, no. As far as I've tried, the only way to make sure the leader names and ranks and ratings are consistent with the new country is to rebuy the units all over. Better yet save the map and restart one (don't forget taking note of the pre-deployed positions and reinforcement turns in the original). To do this, load the original scenario, click "edit map" hit the "save map" button so you can save the map alone as a stand-alone map, then start a fresh scenario, use your new map, and do what you want of the buy/deployment menus.

[loktarr]

Ok, thank you Plasmakrab, I should have found this alone
About the Leclerc recog, you are certainly right, only pb is that that 1AD was back in germany in 92 if I'm not wrong. In my scen there will be AMX-30 because against M1A1 in 92, the Leclerc kills the balance of the game.

[narwan]

On LeClercs; when I was hitchhiking my way across southern parts of France with a friend of mine we at one time got a ride from a french army Colonel. Turned out he was in charge of the (only) french battallion with LeClerc's at that time. They were not yet 'operational' in the sense that the vehicles and crews were still being tested (as part of a larger formation and as they actually held up in the field) and trained. That gave us something to talk about...
Anyway, that was back in 1994 AFAIK.

Narwan

[Marek_Tucan]

pdoktar said:
Maybe professional armies are better conducting war operations, but novadays it seems that the real war starts, when the operations are over. Then I might disagreee, because given the civilian nature of consctripts, they should be better at ending those wars, and getting people to side for them not against, as we see in Iraq.

OTOH the public miht be even more sensitive to the casaulties. After all today the agitprop types tend to say in 50% of cases (atleast here) "These mercenaries just deserved it, doing it for the money" and all that, while with conscripts dying it would be "you see they took this young man away from his family and now killed him"...

[loktarr]

I have some balance problems now, because US troop are so expensive. Against one mixed M1A1/ M2A2 coy, EU can deploy one Leo 2A4 co, one AMX 30Brennus Co and one Italian light tank co. It's a bit to much for our poor US tankers.

[PlasmaKrab]

IMHO you should think more in terms of force size. The OPFOR in this scenario gets one tank platoon, one mech platoon and complete infantry support units first thing, then a reduced tank co (9 tanks) with 2 mech plts as reinforcements.
In the various avatars of this scenario I have patched up in the past (good materials test range even if the morale is buggy) I tried to give the initial defense troops lower-end tanks and keep the top-notch versions for the reinforcements. E.g. you could use Leo2A4s and Leo1A5s (or AMX30B2s), facing only M1A1s which shouldn't be any more expensive than the Leo2s.

[loktarr]

The price problem is mainly due to hight cost of M2AXs, but now, I think I have something correct...

[loktarr]

Here it is. Maybe too easy, maybe not. I achieved major victory first time I played it.

But however this is difficult to get rid of the leopards 2A4 that are present. Infantery is now a key of the scen and not only armored forces.