Which nations need help?

PvK · #1 May 9th, 2007, 06:25 PM

I don't think EA Ermor, EA (nor LA) Ulm or MA Agartha need boosting. EA Marverni and MA Ulm, yes. Though staying thematic while adding spells to boost Ulm might be tricky. Making Tempering the Will much easier to use would be a natural one. LA Marignon seemed weak to me, but I didn't try very long.

Sandman · #2 May 9th, 2007, 06:29 PM

Really, adding spells to these nations is not the way to balance them. Marveni is hobbled by its absurdly expensive druids and crummy troops, and MA Ulm just needs more magic.

Teraswaerto · #3 May 9th, 2007, 06:36 PM

It really depends on the spells added, doesn't it?

DrPraetorious · #4 May 9th, 2007, 06:58 PM

Yeah, well, I'm trying to get people to sign up to a game to test the spells I've added, but no takers

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The proof, as they say, would be in the pudding.

Druids are expensive - but they have a shot at *two* 4s (both earth and astral), and they are sacred. The problem is that it takes a while to get those magic types going.

EA Marverni's troops are inferior - but only slightly. I don't think that's really Marverni's problem.

Anyway, if you give Marverni spells that it can use to buff itself up early in the game, I think it becomes quite a bit more competitive.

EA Ulm is definitely stronger than MA Ulm. Having lousy MR on all of your troops is a lot less of an issue when you have a real horde of them; and your commanders (except for the dismal warrior chief whom you never use) all have decent MR. But I still think EA Ulm lacks a certain punch.

I've found LA Marignon to be a very strong position in multiplayer. I couldn't tell you why.

MaxWilson · #5 May 9th, 2007, 07:10 PM

Is there any good reason why Ulm shouldn't get Tempering the Will at Thaumaturgy 0?

-Max

Sandman · #6 May 9th, 2007, 07:53 PM

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DrPraetorious said:
Druids are expensive - but they have a shot at *two* 4s (both earth and astral), and they are sacred. The problem is that it takes a while to get those magic types going.

Why should they pay through the nose for their One Good Thing? The Druids have 6.1 magic paths and 2 priest levels for 380 gold. They have no other abilities except for blood sacrifice (worthless). They don't even have forest survival!

The Early T'ien Ch'i Celestial Master, to take an extreme example, has 7.1 paths and 2 priest levels for only 250 gold. 130 gold less, and he can fly as well.

The Yomi Dai Oni is a fully fledged SC with 8.1 paths, 1 priest level and a truckload of special abilites. He's 500 gold, only 120 more than the druid.

quantum_mechani · #7 May 9th, 2007, 08:19 PM

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Sandman said:

Why should they pay through the nose for their One Good Thing? The Druids have 6.1 magic paths and 2 priest levels for 380 gold. They have no other abilities except for blood sacrifice (worthless). They don't even have forest survival!

The Early T'ien Ch'i Celestial Master, to take an extreme example, has 7.1 paths and 2 priest levels for only 250 gold. 130 gold less, and he can fly as well.

The Yomi Dai Oni is a fully fledged SC with 8.1 paths, 1 priest level and a truckload of special abilites. He's 500 gold, only 120 more than the druid.

You missed one critical advantage of the druid over both, it's not capital only. Also, raw number of paths is a bit misleading, other than for site searching 1-2 paths at high levels is far better than 3 or more all over the place.

As far as new national spells for Marverni, you might want to wait and check out the new summons IW a has cooking for them, according to the progress page.

MaxWilson · #8 May 9th, 2007, 09:00 PM

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Sandman said:
Why should they pay through the nose for their One Good Thing? The Druids have 6.1 magic paths and 2 priest levels for 380 gold. They have no other abilities except for blood sacrifice (worthless). They don't even have forest survival!

The Early T'ien Ch'i Celestial Master, to take an extreme example, has 7.1 paths and 2 priest levels for only 250 gold. 130 gold less, and he can fly as well.

The Yomi Dai Oni is a fully fledged SC with 8.1 paths, 1 priest level and a truckload of special abilites. He's 500 gold, only 120 more than the druid.

The Celestial Master has more magic paths, but they're scattered all around (a single 4 is in many ways more useful than a couple of 2s) and he is capital-only. I agree, though, that the Druid seems overpriced compared to the Ktonian Necromancer, the Dai Oni, or the Sauromancer.

-Max

vfb · #9 May 9th, 2007, 09:37 PM

Druids can also do a nice communion with a bunch of stargazers. It's a problem surviving in MP to the point where you have multiple castles.

Some national summons like Cu Sith or Agartha's Earth Elementals would do wonders to help them out. A mid-level summonable researcher would be great too, since Marverni cannot craft any research items. Right now, not taking Magic-3 scales with Marverni is suicide.