Epic Heroes Mod MA game(finished)

[llamabeast]

Okay, the game is indeed waiting for pretenders again, and I've removed Ulm and Pangaea.

[Sir_Dr_D]

Hi. Darrel here. I changed my user name to a nickname I had developed on msn messenger. I will be using this one now.(that is if more then one Dr is allowed on this forum. )

I will be sticking with my current Machaka pretender.( And so everyone is warned, the Immortal Assasin does have a long distance decay attack, which can be deadly to SC's)

Xieter I appreciate what you have done with the epic heroes. They are fun. But I do have some comments.

1) In creating them you should be concerned about making them fun, rather then using them to balance the game. It would be more fun for me if each nation had their hero equal in relative power, rather then some being strong and some being weak. That makes playing a nation with a weak epic boring, and having an epic that can easily clobber everything isn't fun either. And if people want to balance the game they can play with CB, or another balance mod, and epic heroes should be used to have fun heroes in the game. The fact that you use Epic heroes for balance means that a person cannot play with both mods togther.

2) I don't like the idea of these Ulm summons either. Lets never mind the balance between Ulm and other nations, this unbalances everything within ulm itself. Every other unit ulm has, now becomes pointless.Those summoned units become what Ulm is, instead of just being an accessory.

3) Just for other ideas. I have no idea if the following can be modded or not, but as an alternative to having Epic heroes summon allies , you can have them very slowly accumulate allies over time like a VQ gets vampires, or have them start off each battle with a set of extra units like Oni get wolves. As is, why would anybody use the Mictlan hero for anything other then summon Jaguars. If instead of this they got 6 or 7 automatic Jaguar warriors each battle, then you can actually use this epic hero to expand (which is much more heroish and fun). This will also balance the Epic Heroes better among themsleves.


P.S. This Immortal Assasin is fun

[jutetrea]

2 types of summons - dom summons and summon allies. Quite a few of the epic heros have dom summons (automatic summons which occur in a positive dom area), while fewer have the summon allies version it seems.

I believe Dedas dropped, so I might be joining again as Mict...and I'll definitely be using the hero to expand (at least early). I've played a few games with it and MA Mict is BORING without blood. The hero really spices things up, my problem is that even in SP i keep getting him killed due to overconfidence...usually right around turn 20.

In terms of fun, most MA nations were just as fun as any other dom game and some just weren't. The non-fun/viable nations needed a bit more oomph IMO and the heros provide that. I'm really curious to see how it affects a full game. I fully expect to lose about mid-late game with Mict..but if its fun while before it happens and theres a bit more mid game potential... mission accomplished.

Why can't you use CB and epic heroes together? I'm missing something.

[Xietor]

I love the idea that melee heroes have summons-and that is not going away, but I do think Ulm's(in the next version and not in time for this game) will be balanced for mp purposes).

The black order soldiers do have an upkeep cost btw. And I did not try to "balance" the races through the Epic Heroes Mod. What I did was keep in mind how tough the various races were in designing their Hero-a subtle but important difference i think.

And I tried to give every race a hero that would benefit that race, even if it was not on the field of battle(Vanheim, Marignon).

But getting a mp game going is the best way for me to receive input and make changes. Look at my thread on the forums-i have received tons of input. When people are actually selecting races to play in mp, and looking at their neighbors with an eye to how to fight them, i think they take a very hard look at the mod, something they may not be inclined to do when commenting on it generally or after a sp game.

[DrPraetorious]

It is supposed to be an epic heros mod - if the heroes don't change the course of the game by themselves, they're hardly epic .

That is not to say that I don't think they shouldn't be balanced - but I think the epic heroes should be balanced towards all being excellent, rather than balanced towards all being a slightly-above-average bonus commander.

[Xietor]

Update:

I just tried to send in a pretender for Abysia-and received a message the game is already full. So you may be able to change your pretender if you are playing the same race, but we may have to wait until Llama returns home on Monday to be able to add my abysia pretender and the mictlan pretender in place of Ulm.

Still have yet to hear from Man, Ryleh or Vanheim. I am assuming they are sticking with their present races, but would love to hear from them for confirmation. Vanheim's hero received a lot of love, so at least for him i cannot see the restart as anything but good. Man and Ryleh were unaffected by the 1.4 changes, except having a dangerous neighbor removed.

[Dedas]

So I'm out of this game or what is happening?

[Xietor]

My bad Dedas,

I inferred, perhaps incorrectly, that you did not want to play in the game if the Epic Heroes Mod was being used?

We are still going to go forward with the game, with Epic Heroes 1.4, the Worthy Heroes, and hot bless fix mods.

Did you want to play Ulm as it is in 1.4, or a new race?