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June 14th, 2007, 01:37 AM
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Re: OOB 024 -- US Army -- M1A2 Abrams
Apparently Sunday Telegraph, May 13 2007
Article can be found in the 3rd or 4th post in following discussion, I'm too lazy to search Sunday Telegraph's site
Tank-net discussion regarding the incident
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June 14th, 2007, 01:28 PM
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Re: OOB 024 -- US Army -- M1A2 Abrams
The Cr2 doesn't have ERA.
http://www.nao.org.uk/publications/n...-04/030460.pdf
Page 19, on that PDF.
There's no actual source for the RPG hit. However I know several tankers, and I shall ask about.
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June 14th, 2007, 02:44 PM
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Re: OOB 024 -- US Army -- M1A2 Abrams
"The Cr2 doesn't have ERA."
Wait a minute. All I can find there is "new generation of appliqué armour", which is a pretty generic description. It does not say whether ERA is included or not.
If those boxes on the lower hull front aren't ERA tiles they certainly look like them.
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June 14th, 2007, 02:53 PM
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Re: OOB 024 -- US Army -- M1A2 Abrams
trust me on this, they're not. There's pictures of RPG's embedded in them.
The attachment is a Picture of a Cr2 that got brewed up in a blue on blue incident when a HESH round went down the CO's hatch. The tank has obviously burned, and yet the armour panels are still in one piece.
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June 14th, 2007, 03:37 PM
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Re: OOB 024 -- US Army -- M1A2 Abrams
I cannot see the picture, I get the usual file not found. Still it would not rule out ERA. For a start if it is ERA it is an enclosed design, like Kontakt-5, rather than Kontakt EDZ style flying plates. So even if there is something stuck in the outer layer it does not mean that it does not work like ERA inside. Then it is not supposed to detonate as soon as something sneeze at it, for obvious reasons. It may well be non sensitive enough to resist some amount of fire.
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June 14th, 2007, 06:03 PM
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Re: OOB 024 -- US Army -- M1A2 Abrams
IIRC the Russians have put once a show for the press where they did ignite the fuel cells over the fenders on a T-80U (or were that Ukrainians? Same difference in fact) and the tank remained fully operational, the ERA also didn't go off IIRC.
This being said, I frankly dunno what that thing on CR2 front is. It looks like ERA but so can NERA look like so I am waiting till somebody discloses the Truth(tm) 
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