Kwok's next Mod

Baron Munchausen · #1 June 20th, 2007, 03:16 PM

If you're looking to be logical try hanging the base and ship construction techs off of a theoretical "Engineering" field. And please, please break up Stellar Manipulations already! It's been a catch-all for various almost unrelated techs for much too long.

aegisx · #2 June 20th, 2007, 03:19 PM

I would also like to see planets use more resources. Currently, they really do not require much to maintain, which fuels rapid expansion.

Romulus68 · #3 June 20th, 2007, 04:38 PM

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aegisx said:
I would also like to see planets use more resources. Currently, they really do not require much to maintain, which fuels rapid expansion.

That is a tough one to balance slow developement versus fun in playing. If it takes forever for the game to get going you could find MANY people quitting the game for greener pastures.

I too like the build up process, but we gotta find a happy medium. I think all that is handled well with the research cost selection on the game set up along with planets and values, etc.

aegisx · #4 June 20th, 2007, 06:53 PM

Romulus68:

You should know how fast people can expand and abuse the system... Just ask Grend in our game. There is no stopping his expansion, unless everyone else expands the same way.

narf poit chez BOOM · #5 June 21st, 2007, 12:50 AM

Well, expansion is sort of the point of the game.

Atrocities · #6 June 21st, 2007, 01:23 AM

Any idea of how long it will take before you have a playable version of this mod CK?

Captain Kwok · #7 June 21st, 2007, 08:41 AM

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Atrocities said:
Any idea of how long it will take before you have a playable version of this mod CK?

Not sure exactly. I've started editing the data files and making the revised tech tree, but it's going to take a bit of work to implement an AI-sensitive version of the leaky armor.

aegisx · #8 June 21st, 2007, 07:53 AM

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narf poit chez BOOM said:
Well, expansion is sort of the point of the game.

I agree, but I think establishing a new colony should be a decision, not a necessity. Grend posted an expansion guide on se.com, and I've seen him do it in several games. It is very effective and there is nothing to hold back the massive expansion. I just think there should be more expense to establishing a new colony.

Fyron · #9 June 21st, 2007, 11:41 AM

aegisx said:
"I agree, but I think establishing a new colony should be a decision, not a necessity."

It's not entirely clear to me why nerfing one of the Xs of a 4X game is a good thing. Civ4 did it, and it sucked; probably the worst part of the game. Establishing new colonies should always be beneficial, and thus not much of a decision.

AstralWanderer · #10 June 22nd, 2007, 01:48 AM

Baron Munchausen: If you're looking to be logical try hanging the base and ship construction techs off of a theoretical "Engineering" field.

Good idea - this could be supplemented by requiring a second theoretical field ("Minaturisation" in line with the comments above or "Large-Scale Construction") for higher levels of ship design.

Baron Munchausen: And please, please break up Stellar Manipulations already! It's been a catch-all for various almost unrelated techs for much too long.

I'd second..whoops..third this.

It would seem better suited as a prerequisite theoretical field.

aegisx: How do you counter that type of expansion other then being forced to follow the same path?

One option would be to add minimum population requirements (if possible) to key facilities (shipyards, resupply depots) and to have these increase with level (on the grounds that more advanced facilities require better infrastructure support even if they need less staff). That way, expanding empires either have to focus on building up one or two colonies to gain access to better facilities faster, or use older facilities on new colonies and upgrade when population permits.