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Xietor · #1 July 9th, 2007, 07:49 PM

Hmmm,

way off topic, but if we had animal leadership, might a certain lion that pangaea could summon at conj 4 have animal leadership rather than being a magic being?

One of the issues pangaea has with its summons(vine ogres, Kithaironic Lions(should get 2 not 1 btw)(mated pair thing), is requiring magic leadership for them.

Having Pangaea's Commanders have master animal leadership(and switching vine ogres/vinemen to animal leadership) would allow them to lead the legions of vinemen, wolves(call of the wild)lions etc.

Kristoffer O · #2 July 9th, 2007, 07:57 PM

Sounds reasonable.

sum1lost · #3 July 9th, 2007, 08:01 PM

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Kristoffer O said:
Sounds reasonable.

Wouldn't that possibly result in other nations not being able to use vinemen as effectively?

Kristoffer O · #4 July 9th, 2007, 08:09 PM

Vinemen are magical, and that was not to change anyway. Just the Kith Leo.

Xietor · #5 July 9th, 2007, 08:34 PM

Vinemen=can only be led by a gardener

quantum_mechani · #6 July 9th, 2007, 08:42 PM

Animal leadership would be nice to have for a number of reasons... I take it this would be a JK level change, right?

llamabeast · #7 July 9th, 2007, 08:46 PM

So do we feel this would help with the elephant issue? I've lost track of exactly why.

I guess perhaps animal leaders would not generally also be human leaders - so it would be harder to mix elephants with infantry. But still definitely doable with a Sceptre of Authority or whatever it's called (cheap low-level fire item).

Also you could have less elephants per group. Would this make much difference. It's not completely obvious to me, but I don't have a lot of elephanty experience.

Velusion · #8 July 9th, 2007, 08:56 PM

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llamabeast said:
So do we feel this would help with the elephant issue? I've lost track of exactly why.

I guess perhaps animal leaders would not generally also be human leaders - so it would be harder to mix elephants with infantry. But still definitely doable with a Sceptre of Authority or whatever it's called (cheap low-level fire item).

Also you could have less elephants per group. Would this make much difference. It's not completely obvious to me, but I don't have a lot of elephanty experience.

Recruitable leaders that can control animals might be limited to only manage 10-15 animals. This would make their squads smaller so they will be easier to break via morale.

Velusion · #9 July 9th, 2007, 08:52 PM

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Xietor said:

Having Pangaea's Commanders have master animal leadership(and switching vine ogres/vinemen to animal leadership) would allow them to lead the legions of vinemen, wolves(call of the wild)lions etc.

Vinemen aren't animals. Why not just give Pangaea animal AND magical leadership abilities?

Of course - this change is pretty far reaching, assuming we are all talking about what I'm thinking. Namely requiring anything marked "animal" to be lead by a leader with an appropriate ability (Beast-Mastery?). Are we talking about a game wide change or just a localized fix for elephants?

IF it is game wide many nations would need to be changed to insure that some leader of theirs could actually control summoned animals.

This also would innately make animals weaker - as they would be limited as to who could lead them. One easy way to counter this is to slightly buff most of the animal spells/recruits (decreasing gems/gold cost, increasing the amount summoned, making them stronger). Another thought it to make most summoned animals come with a leader (aka call of the Wilds).

This would be a sorta big undertaking but I think would be a good overall change.