Esoteric Roman v. Greek Ranting (was Philosophers)

[Rytek]

They are affected by drain. You must of had sloth in the province which gives bonus that was off setting your drain.

[Ironhawk]

Uhhh... what? Sloth has no effect on magic scale. Unless there is some wierd bug I have never heard of.

I'm quite certain that Philosophers were immune to Drain. All my other mages had 1-3rps because they were losing it all to drain. But my Philosophers had their regular 5rp. I have a feeling it has to do with the fact that Philosophers have RP but no magic paths. Perhaps you must have a magic path in order for Drain to effect you?

[BigDisAwesome]

Yeah Philosophers get the sloth bonus added to their RP. So if you take sloth 3 and magic 3, they have a RP of 10. Not bad for 50 gold.

[Meglobob]

Read the nation description for EA Arco. I think they have a unit that gets a bonus from sloth and ignores the effects of drain scale.

[atul]

Philosophers get one additional RP per sloth scale. For example, magic-3 sloth-2 philosophers have whopping 9 RPs. Which is a lot for 50 gp unit. Don't know what (if anything) you could pull off with them, but there's gotta be something weird.

Edit: Ninja'ed by awesomeness. Could be worse.

[thejeff]

It is a peculiarity of Philosophers that they get a research bonus in a sloth dominion.

I guess if they don't have to work, they've got more time to loll around on couches eating grapes and having insights into the nature of the universe.

[Nix]

thejeff said:
It is a peculiarity of Philosophers that they get a research bonus in a sloth dominion.

I guess if they don't have to work, they've got more time to loll around on couches eating grapes and having insights into the nature of the universe.

You call Blade Wind "insights into the nature of the universe"?

[thejeff]

Of course not, Blade Wind is merely a mildly interesting side effect of a more fundamental aspect of the nature of Earth that happened to get mentioned to a more practical Mystic.
Hardly worth wasting your time thinking about. You'll progress much faster if you stop being distracted by all these flashy effects.

[Ironhawk]

Well well! Learn something new every day. I'm surprised that my philosopher still had 5rp when I moved him out into other provinces, but of course I wasnt even bothered to look at sloth scales. Wierd!

[noname]

I imagine the sloth scale has to do with the state of society in general. The greatest philosophers of Classical Greece were not lazy. If anything, the philosophers worked harder as the rest of society became lazy around them. Socrates was a hard-working stone mason who fought for Athens in the Peloponnesian War, and acted as the "gadfly" for them. He also was a very poor man and could not have just "sat around eating grapes." Plato was a teacher who left Athens after his teacher, Socrates, was executed, and he founded the Academy. As for Aristotle; he went on to found or develop so many things (everything from zoology to botany to literary criticism to founding the Lyceum), that there's no way he could be called lazy.

Of course, those philosophers were Socratic and afterwards. The philosophers described in the game appear to be presocratic, in spite of the presence of the academy. Socrates said that the best subject of philosophy was that of the human being, not the nature of the universe. I suppose that some of those Sophists could have been lazy... To complete my argument, I leave you with an anti-laziness quote from Aristocles (Plato's real name):


"Prefer diligence before idleness, unless you esteem rust above brightness."-- Plato

P.S. Has anyone ever considered making a philosopher-hero in a patch. Maybe he could be the greatest researcher who ever lived?