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September 12th, 2007, 12:17 AM
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Re:LA Atlantis looking for perm sub
The developers say what is an exploit and what is not.
Mists of deception can be used if you stay on the battlefield and fight. It is an exploit to have a mage cast it, and say wraithful skies, then retreat. That means the army is fighting no enemy but is destroyed by battlefield enchantments and cannot end it by killing anyone. This is clearly an exploit.
Buffing and retreating is not a problem. It is battlefield enchantments like wrathful skies and then retreating. For a better explanation, read the thread on the main board entitled Mists of deception.
To be honest, I was unaware that this conduct was an exploit myself. But now that it is labeled as such, it should not be used. No vote is needed to stop exploits. Most people should be aware that exploits are not acceptable.
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September 12th, 2007, 12:30 AM
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Re:LA Atlantis looking for perm sub
In my post I agreed that the narrow case of MoD/SA + WS/FS/etc + retreat is an exploit.
I read your post to mean that the spell itself should be banned.
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September 12th, 2007, 12:59 AM
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Re:LA Atlantis looking for perm sub
Yeah, I was over broad.
The gist of the rule is to take advantage of a bug that leaves a battlefield enchantment up after the mage casting it dies or retreats. Players have no control over when their mages die in battle.
But if the backbone of your strategy is to have a mage equipped with forbidden light(autocast solar brillance) enter a battle with some other commanders and chaff,then cast ritual of returning and blind the other army while he kills your chaff, that is an exploit.
Admittedly, I bought forbidden light for just this purpose.
But it will not sit unused in my lab. Try to avoid strategies where your mage that casts the battlefield enchantment purposely leaves the battle before it ends.
Retreating other mages who buff you own troops is fine. It is the spells that destroy the enemy that are exploitive if the casting mage is not on the battlefield-so say the developers.
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September 12th, 2007, 01:05 AM
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Re:LA Atlantis looking for perm sub
Game Update:
Machaka and Man both were eliminated this turn.
If possible, departing players please post suggestions or comments on your(and other) Epic Heroes on the Epic Heroes thread in the Mod forum.
Thank you for help play testing the mod, and for any comments-good or bad-about the Epic Heroes.
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September 12th, 2007, 07:55 AM
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Re:LA Atlantis looking for perm sub
Man fought a brave battle in the face of multiple enemies. We salute their passion in battle and their zeal in fighting to the end. Man will forever hold a place in our oral traditions as a worthy foe.
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September 12th, 2007, 11:57 AM
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Re:LA Atlantis looking for perm sub
I would also like to tip my hat to Machaka. He was a worthy foe, and had intricate knowledge of the game.
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September 12th, 2007, 03:14 PM
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Re:LA Atlantis looking for perm sub
Thanks for playing, guys. I learned a lot, and i have seen things never seen before while playing the A.I.
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