Technology Trade (again)

Suicide Junkie · #1 February 28th, 2002, 02:31 AM

Which are you saying is the way it actually works?

From what I see, it works exactly like a deconstruct/analyse thing, where you have x copies of some component requiring tech A, and y copies of some other component requiring tech B.
(All on separate "ships" for analysing, of course)

PsychoTechFreak · #2 February 28th, 2002, 10:08 AM

quote:
Originally posted by capnq:
I have been told that to trade multiple levels of technology, you have to put it in the deal multiple times (which seems to contradict the manual). I have made successful trades doing it this way.

In which Version have you made the trades successfully, 1.49 ?

QuarianRex · #3 February 28th, 2002, 10:55 AM

I have done trades like this successfully in the gold demo. It seems to work fine.

capnq · #4 March 1st, 2002, 02:37 AM

The game where I was told this was necessary was back in 1.41. While I was testing this in 1.49, I finally twigged on what you meant in your deconstruct analogy, and discovered I was partly wrong.

Two examples from my testing:

Race A has Ship Construction 2, Projectile Weapons 4.

Race B has Ship Construction 3, Projectile Weapons 1.

If A proposes

Give:
Projectile Weapons

Want:
Ship Construction

and B accepts, A gets Ship Construction 3 and B gets Projectile Weapons 2. (This is the part I thought contradicted the manual, but when I couldn't find where I'd read what I thought it said, I realized I was thinking of another game entirely.

)

If A wants to give B Projectile Weapons 4, he has to offer

Give:
Projectile Weapons
Projectile Weapons
Projectile Weapons

PsychoTechFreak · #5 March 2nd, 2002, 08:45 AM

Either I don't get it, or I am too stupid/blind, I am not able to trade the higher techs (except the basic techs) in ver 1.49. Is there a change to the earlier Versions ? I have tried almost everything now, e.g. gas colonization tech against DUC III (I know it is a bad deal), no chance.

[ 02 March 2002: Message edited by: PsychoTechFreak ]

Suicide Junkie · #6 March 2nd, 2002, 06:00 PM

PTF:
What tech level do both sides have, and what is the offer?
Also, what response do you get?

[ 02 March 2002: Message edited by: Suicide Junkie ]

PsychoTechFreak · #7 March 3rd, 2002, 01:33 AM

I have got a trade and research alliance with the Space Vikings (AI controlled), usually they accept every trade, the basic techs are no problem to get, e.g. physics 1 for 40,000 minerals.

1) I have got Physics 1, for Physics 2 I would need 100,000 RPs. The AI has got Physics level 1, too.
Give has been: 100,000 minerals; Want has been: Physics, Physics
Answer: We accept your generous offer.
Transfer: 100,000 minerals, got: Physics 1, Physics 1 (worthless)

That means, if the AI has got the same Tech level, your Give-Package is transferred and you get nothing of worth.

After that I have controlled the AI to research Physics 2, then:

2) Give has been: 200,000 minerals; Want has been: Physics
Answer: By Odin, we like what you offer. We must decline for now, but I think it is time that we loot your planets.
Transfer: nothing.

Funny, they decline although they would get 200,000 for the price of 100,000 and they usually accept at 80%.

Then I have turned of the Vikings politics minister, to manually control the trade.

3) Give has been: 200,000 minerals; Want has been: Physics
I manually forced the Vikings to accept, to see what I would get:
Transfer: 200,000 minerals and I finally have got Physics 2 !

I have tested this with several other AIs also (military alliances), same result.
Ok, good news is, in a multiplayer game the trades would be possible, just the AIs would always decline Tech trades of the higher levels.

EDIT: Ah, now I understand capnq's post, if I want physics 3 and I am on physics 1 then I would have to enter:

Physics
Physics

Tricky. I will check that next time.

[ 02 March 2002: Message edited by: PsychoTechFreak ]