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[chuckfourth]

OK
Let me put it this way. You say German Officers were a better standard than American, So wouldnt this mean that the Germans should have a better in-game Morale value? Considering that in-game Morale value is really only the much more specific "rallying ability" which depends on the quality of the Leadership?
ie the mens confidence in their leaders.
Chuck.

[Marek_Tucan]

This is covered by the Rally rating, I believe and yes, I think rally rating shall be lower for US troops than for Germans.

EDITED for clarity.

[chuckfourth]

Hi Marek
Glad you made that clear, when you say Rally rating do you mean the 3 Unit "Command" values the Player preferences or the Realism Preferences
Best Regards Chuck.

[Marek_Tucan]

The unit "leader ratings".

[baggypants]

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[narwan]

baggypants said:
During '42 the US troops should be more fragile and by '44 a little more aggressive than the British while defensively about even with the Germans. The game does this IMO quite sucessfully with the current US values.

That is, as you state yourself, an opinion and not a fact. You are also more or less correct that the game with the current values reflects this. Which is exactly the whole point of this thread. The current US values are under scrutiny because the resulting 'abilities' in the game of US troops are not conform 'reality' according to some.
It's also not very smart to accuse the other side of the debate of 'admiring the germans'. This has little to do with it. We're talking about the US troops here, not the germans. I for one find it very odd you would find that the US would be more aggressive than the british in '44. All I have seen and heard when it comes to small unit performances (which is what this game deals with) suggests the opposite to me. So it would be helpful if you could teel us WHY you think the US was more aggressive (small units wise) than for example the UK and why you think they were on the same level (again small units wise) as the germans? I find both claims highly questionable.

And to get back to an earlier point, training; you say that the quality of officers had more to do with it than training. But isn't the quality of the officers vital for the training a unit receives, not so much the quantity but the quality of it?

[baggypants]

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[chuckfourth]

Hi Boggypants

baggypants said:
morale value in SP seems to encompass so much more that the name 'morale' is a bit deceptive and seems to envision so many other things that the aforementioned confidence in leadership is better modelled in rally ratings.

You seem a little confused here perhaps in a similar way to how you dont understand squad tactics.
You mean to say
"Morale value in SP seems to encompass so much LESS" According to help the only thing encompassed by the game Morale rating so far is Rallying ability. I would be pretty sure that Rallying value and Morale value is the same thing
Perhaps the designers could clear this up?
ALso this has nothing to do with campaigns its about what the Morale value really is.
Chuck.