Grossly, insanely different PD strengths

llamabeast · #1 November 8th, 2007, 06:29 AM

I don't think Machaka is a weak nation. I like them. Also I've won an MP game using Man (although I didn't bother to submit it to the Victorious Nations thread since it was only a 4-player game).

NTJedi · #2 November 8th, 2007, 11:32 AM

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llamabeast said:
I don't think Machaka is a weak nation.

Machaka is okay probably categorized as below average, but their PD has been agreed by many to be the weakest in the game. Did I mention their PD dies from tennis balls?

llamabeast · #3 November 8th, 2007, 12:07 PM

But they have awesome battle magic and powerful hoplites and spiders. I agree their PD is quite poor.

Lord_Bob · #4 November 8th, 2007, 01:01 PM

Man also has stealth units, Wardens of Avalon. These are very tough, and go along way to Raiding/Counter-Raiding.

So the situation is "the same" except that Man PD is stronger and they have Raider/Counter-Raiding units.

Did you have a bless on your Wardens?

The Monkey's have Atavi. Atavi with a Protection of 1 DO NOT go a long way to fixing the problem.

If Markata were given stealth, this would fix the problem. Actually.

thejeff · #5 November 8th, 2007, 01:11 PM

You're, again, completely missing the point of bring up Man.

It has nothing to do with Man's PD or Man's raiding ability.

Man and the monkey nations are the same in and only in that neither has won a MP game here.

Tichy · #6 November 8th, 2007, 02:14 PM

But everybody knows that if you put Markatas together in groups they get all chatty and excited and start grooming each other, gossiping, losing their cute little bows and rooting for the losing team. Charming, yes. Stealthy?

Agema · #7 November 8th, 2007, 08:56 PM

I don't really get this. Some nations have clearly inferior mages. Some have clearly inferior sacreds. Some have clearly inferior summons. Why is PD such an issue?

Valandil · #8 November 8th, 2007, 10:13 PM

It isn't, except to about... oh... one person?

Sombre · #9 November 8th, 2007, 11:14 PM

Because to that one person only PD matters (apart from anti PD raiders, apparently). He has his crusade and he'll rant on and on about it to no-one in particular making foolish statements like "such and such can never win" or "with 65 pd such and such is unbeatable". All the while ignoring or misinterpreting any valid objections raised and failing to realise everyone already accepts that monkey PD is a bit rubbish.

Maraxus · #10 November 9th, 2007, 09:21 AM

Because with some nations with very weak provincial defence you can't really see their strengthes in any other area, maybe.

I think Fomoria tops it:

-The provincial defence can not hit anything, has no protection or defence and a moral so absoluely horrible that it will rout the whole army.
-At the same time, the only good researcher/Ritualist is capital only. (and still no better then average compared with other nations)
-The only good unit is capital only.

And seriously, Banda Log is another good point. The provincial defence is sooo bad, comparing it to a good average is like comparing the sacret units of MA Ulm and MA Vanheim.
Problem is, that a sacret strategy is optional - Provincial defence is something you need no matter what strategy you are going.