New Russian OOB (or SPR OOB)

[KraMax]

Marcello - thanks for attention to our OOB.

I will give to you links on information sources in which it is in detail told about typical arms of planes on each model. Unfortunately links only in Russian, but you can take advantage of the translator.

Usually about typical arms of these planes it is written in the end of the text.
And the full list of every possible arms is after specifications in the end of page.

Here link on a site of the translator: http://www.online-translator.com/default.asp? lang=en
In it you can translate even sites entirely with preservation of formatting of the text.

If you have difficulties or you do not have time for employment by translate. I can make in detail to you normal translate of typical arms of these planes.

Su-17
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su17.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su17_1.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su17m.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su17m2.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su17m3.html

Su-20 export
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su20.html

Su-22 export
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su22.html

Mig-23BN
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig23bn.html

On these pages all is written. From the moment of creation of the plane till the moment of its recycling. It is described as in what year it is made, by whom it is made, what arms, what equipment were established, etc.

If you have problems with translate - write here about it and I will work over text translation on arms of these planes.
Why you were interested by these planes?

[KraMax]

Su-17 typical arms:

Fighting loading to 4000 kg is suspended by a lump on 6 hardpoints: 2 body and 4 fly. On Su-17M3 the quantity hardpoints is increased on 2. Su-17M4 has already 10 hardpoints: 4 body and 6 fly. Fighting loading is raised to 4250 kg. Thus 2 central hardpoints are intended only for a suspension bracket Ur of a class "air-air" R-60.

The first serial Su-17 did not bear the operated weapon of a class "air-surface". On the subsequent updatings this lack has been eliminated, and on 2 internal hardpoints UR (Manual Missile) or KAB of various types are suspended. Su-17M first took Kh-23M and anti-radar Kh-28. Later the nomenclature has been expanded by possibility of suspension bracket Kh-25 and Kh-29L. Su-17M2 also bore all aforementioned systems. The given updating of the first in family Su-17 has received UR R-60 on arms. Su-17M4 are capable to bear the most various scale of operated arms: KAB-500l bombs; corrected rockets S-25L; UR of types Kh-25ML/MR, Kh-27, Kh-29L/T; anti-radar UR Kh-25MP, Kh-27, Kh-58.

All updatings undertake in blocks NURS of types S-5, S-8 or S-13, and also single NURS S-24 and S-25. Among other types of pendant arms are registered aerial bombs of calibres from 100 to 500 kg; cluster bombs RBK-250 and RBK-500, gun containers KMGU; incendiary tanks. Under SChK 2 1156-l or 830-l PTB also are equipped.

Su-17 And Su-17M were equipped bombing sight PBK-2 and shooting ASP-5ND-7. On Su-17M2 instead of the last has been established more perfect ASP-17.

The equipment of management the "Delta" placed in the pendant container was applied to prompting UR Kh-23M. For prompting Kh-25ML and Kh-29L the laser station "Projector" also placed in the pendant container is used. On Su-17M2, besides the given station, the laser range finder-tseleukazatel “Fon-1400” is established. On Su-17M3 instead of it sight ASP-17, the indicator of direct visibility, station of the prevention of radar-tracking radiation “Sirena-3”, etc. The onboard radar-tracking equipment is established more perfect “Klen-54”. Also are established to shoot traps and dipoles KDS-23 and ASo-2V. Some planes for the control of results of bombing have chamber AFA-39.

[KraMax]

At Su-20/22 the arms stood about same, and the equipment was worse, than at the Soviet planes.

[KraMax]

Mig-23BN Differed from Mig-23B only a design and systems of an aiming and tracking stations.

Arms:
23-mm of down GSh-23L (200 cartridges).
Fighting loading - 3000 kg.
The rocket arms include four blocks of NURS UB-32A with 32 rockets S-5 (51 mm) or four blocks B-8M (20 NURS S-8, 80 mm). Under a wing can be suspended two UR Kh-23, operated on a beam by means of station of prompting Delta-ng (it is mounted over the left motionless part of a wing). Rockets of small range R-3S of a class are applied To self-defence air - air with TGS.
Can take aboard to 18 bombs in calibre 50 - 100 kg, 8 - calibre 250 kg or 6 - calibre 500 kg. The suspension bracket of bombing cartridges of RBK-250, concrete penetrative ammunition BetAB-250 and BetAB-500, armour-piercing bombs, tanks with napalm is possible. Bombs of small calibre take places on many locks holders MDBZ-U6-68.
The suspension bracket under a wing of two gun containers UPK-23-250 from 23-mm gun GSh-23 (250 cartridges) is supposed.

[KraMax]

Sorry for my bad English.
If to you something is not clear - ask me and I will try to explain to you it more precisely.

[Suhiir]

I, for one, am quite interested in what you're doing.
But . . .

KraMax said:
We have changed almost all: ... power of the weapon,...

This has me rather concerned.
I know from my work on my new USMC OOB that while many of the weapons could use a tweak or two any comprehensive modifications can cause problems as the new values may no longer be compatible with the ones in every other OOB.

[Marcello]

"Why you were interested by these planes?"

I am reworking the iraqi OOB and I am checking planes weapons loads. For the early planes like
MIG-15bis/MIG-17F/MIG-19S etc it is relatively easy: they have 2-4 hardpoints which can carry a very limited selection of bombs/rockets. For some others I found some typical weapons loads (for example four FAB-250 for some MIG-21 variants).
Later things get more difficult: let's make an example of my problem.
The Su-7BMK is listed to have six hardpoints, each of which in theory can carry several types of weapons (ranging from FAB-250 to S-24 rockets).
In practice however four of those hardpoints are always used for fuel tanks. So the typical payload would be limited to something like two FAB-500 or two UB-16 rocket pods.
But more capable planes like the SU-20/22 or the MIG-23BN
can carry more and different types of weapons.
Would a SU-17M3/SU-22M typically carry two rockets pods + two RBK-500 + two FAB-250 rather than two RBK-250 + four FAB-250?
What did the soviet air force arm them with usually?
I wanted to know a few typical configurations for these planes and the MIG-23BN. I will see what I can get with the automatic trsnalation.

[KraMax]

Suhiir
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Thanks for the shown interest to our OOB.

Certainly we have not changed all power of the weapon. We have changed only that weapon which power has been specified wrongly. For an example:

weapon 015 RPG-2 - we have established capacity HEAT 20
weapon 019 RPG-7V - we have established capacity HEAT 50 - since it fairly.
weapon 082 4x30mm guns - we have changed 2 guns to 4 guns since this weapon cannot separately shoot and shoots on the purpose in a complex.
Etc.
Also we have worked over accuracy of our weapon according to the game formula.
Also we have worked dates of creation of the weapon and weapon receipt in armies.

At changes of these data we put before ourselves aim to make fair OOB.

We do not think that our changes will break balance of game...
Though it is final, if developers of game accept our changes, we will search for our arms in others OOBs here again at a forum to suggest to change values.

[KraMax]

Marcello
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Whence at you such data on SU-7BMK?
Su-7BMK - It is made on the basis of Su-7BKL. Su-7BKL - the quantity of fuel is increased, the design is changed, equipment EW etc is added.
Su-7BMK - Had 8 hardpoints. Su-7BMK - differed from Su-7BKL older equipment. The truth is written that Egyptians without the permission - modernised Su-7BMK and have increased quantity hardpoints to 8 pieces. Then the USSR and made them with 8 hardpoints = 3300 kg.
Usually on all series Su-7 - 2 fuel tanks were established only. About 4 fuel tanks I have found nothing.

[KraMax]

Marcello
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Planes Su-17M3.

Su-17M3 Is improved Su-17M2. Other equipment, is more than fuel.
It is written that it can to bear on itself(himself) 8 aviation bombs, everyone on 500 kg.
Also it is written that since 1981 rockets Kh-27PS, Kh-25MP, Kh-58U were typical arms of many regiments of the USSR. But always for a fighting problem planes armed with those arms which were necessary for problem performance. I am for example confident that during war in Afghanistan - these planes on armed with it rockets about which I has written, they armed with bombs, NURS etc.