Priests and LA Ermor

[Lord_Bob]

I think LORD BOB MIGHT HAVE A POINT but he behaves like SUCH A TOOL no-one is going to LISTEN TO HIM!!111!!11!

Think about how MANY UNDEAD LA Ermor might have by TURN 45 it MIGHT be like 10k or so THAT'S OVER 9000!!!11!!1!!11!11!!eleven

What's odd is I see much ruder behavior daily. WHO you are must effect WHAT is rude.

The problems with LA Ermor have existed for over one and a half years. I am quite sure they are not going to be fixed.
It can take advantage of it's massive army advantage to get huge before the Level 7 spells come out.

You are aware the only paths Ermor doesn't have is Blood and Nature?Of course,nature is easily gotten from Shamans.

[Shovah32]

1200 Undead shouldn't be impossible to counter at turn 25, assuming you didn't get a terrible start.

While going from your tests you may need 40-60 priests to kill those undead, they are not the only answer to the problem, although they do help.
Decent troops should be able to kill plenty of undead. Archers will do fairly heavy damage to unshielded troops and the shield guys fall quite easily in combat. Battle magic can do heavy damage, depending on your nation and of course rank-an-file soldiers can usually go toe-to-toe with undead for quite a while - maybe even indefinitely if you researched straight for nice buffs.

[sector24]

People are generally responding to your rudeness rather than generating it from nothing. But at the same time they are trying to be helpful. It's not like you do your maladjusted antisocial spiel and people respond with a #@%! off.

Of course you could argue that people who respond rudely are no better than the person who starts it, but I don't necessarily believe that. Regardless, you know how the saying goes; You can typically attract more flies with honey than vinegar.

[Zeldor]

1200 undead total or in one province?

[BigandScary]

wow, this is totally about me. Bob, you are talking about in BAG right? It's wierd to hear about oneself like this.

Anyway, I invaded in two waves, 700 troops and then 1500 troops, and while I had my guys buffed with Protection and such, Marignon was woefully unprepared to meet an undead invasion. Not even the huge masses of priests mentioned here. Although he did win one of the first major battles, hte rest was smooth sailing.

Wow, hearing about youreslf...its an interesting feeling

[Lord_Bob]

People are generally responding to your rudeness rather than generating it from nothing. But at the same time they are trying to be helpful. It's not like you do your maladjusted antisocial spiel and people respond with a #@%! off.

Of course you could argue that people who respond rudely are no better than the person who starts it, but I don't necessarily believe that. Regardless, you know how the saying goes; You can typically attract more flies with honey than vinegar.

Blah, blah, blah. In the last thread I was continously bad-mouthed. Unfortunately, I am better at dealing with bad-mouthing than they are at bad-mouthing. So they've stopped that. This is just you arriving at the "answer" you were going to reach no matter what. One of two things would happen:
A.The bullies, that have stopped all debate on these things, would be endlessly rude to me, and I would be polite. You would observe that I was being such a silly-little boy, and so wrong. Bully-boy has made so many, wrong, but oh-so-tough statements.
B.I would argue back. This would make me "rude", and you could condemn me for that.

I love these Post-Western arguments. We always know the answer, even before we've figured out how we are going to get it.

So, somehow, all real debate has stopped. Why is that?

It's because you have all the tools needed for the job.

[Kristoffer O]

Lord_Bob said:

Blah, blah, blah. In the last thread I was continously bad-mouthed. Unfortunately, I am better at dealing with bad-mouthing than they are at bad-mouthing. So they've stopped that. This is just you arriving at the "answer" you were going to reach no matter what. One of two things would happen:
A.The bullies, that have stopped all debate on these things, would be endlessly rude to me, and I would be polite. You would observe that I was being such a silly-little boy, and so wrong. Bully-boy has made so many, wrong, but oh-so-tough statements.
B.I would argue back. This would make me "rude", and you could condemn me for that.

I love these Post-Western arguments. We always know the answer, even before we've figured out how we are going to get it.

So, somehow, all real debate has stopped. Why is that?

It's because you have all the tools needed for the job.

Hmm.

A 'Blah, blah, blah' would be percieved as rude by most people I know of. If one of my students said 'Blah, blah, blah' to me when I asked him or her to listen I would consider him or her rude.

You do not win when people stop bad-mouthing you. You win if they never start bad mouthing you. Friends at least.

In regards to A.
I don't think they would be endlessly rude to you. Most bullies stop bullying if they don't get attention, since attention is what they crave. If they would be endlessly rude to you the admins would presumably talk to them about unacceptable behavior.
You would be polite, you say. Why not? Sounds like nice and normal behavior. I would approve.

I don't think real debate has stopped, but I believe that how you come across to people makes them less interested in having a debate with you on the matter at hand, and instead turn their focus towards how you present your opinions. If you like to debate I think you should work on how you present your arguments, lest you will find yourself in situations where all debate stops.

Edit: I hope you dont mind me saying that.

[VedalkenBear]

Then, if I may ask, Bob, so that we can give the best advice possible, who _are_ you playing?

[Lord_Bob]

You are actually being polite. It really is not that hard telling the difference between real politiness and "I'm-So-Much-Better-Than-You" fake politeness.

People aren't interest in discussion, that's why they say "use Archers" against Quickened Van Calvary and Skeletons with Tower Shields. Yes, archers are the natural counters to Calvary and units with large shields. I'm simply the first person aggravated enough to tell them they are saying nonsense, and maybe they should let people actually discuss facts for a change.

All debate has stopped. Things like giving Patala/Bandar Log/Kailasa 5 Melee Markata per PD point and a Mage and +3 Melee Markata after 20 should illicit a yawn from players. Most players wouldn't even notice. But it would make Patala playable. And I get an extreme reacion even though everyone agrees monkey PD is horrible.(The PD's own archers kill the melee markata till they route. Once the melee markata route, all units most make morale checks every turn. Everyone routes fairly soon.)

I'm not saying races should be balanced. Forget that. Certain concepts, like LA Ulm, are going to have trouble because the Concept is weaker. LA Ermor is a rock solid Concept. It's going to be strong. It should be strong. BUT. Things like making the castle skeletons stronger than normal soldiers and giving them 14 MR! is extremely problematic. That 14 MR doesn't JUST apply to banishment, you know. And then the Dusk Elders have access to SIX! paths of magic. AND Independent Shamans give Ermor access to SEVEN paths! And then they get Darkness at Alteration-6.

Some nations should be weak, and some nations should be strong, but this should be kept within certain limits.

[Jazzepi]

Maybe you should consider the fact that 99.9% of the other players on here, when they ask question or debate topics, don't elicit such venom. It's clear to me that the only variable that never changes in the past 3-4 times you've gone off on some tangent offending people, is you.

If I were you, Bob, I would start blaming yourself, instead of whining about how everyone else around you treats you, for how people respond to your behavior.

Jazzepi