Mage Thugs vs Meat Thugs

FAJ · #1 December 11th, 2007, 12:40 AM

Blood Vengence + pheonix pyre + Reinvigorating equip.

If you can get there

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Aethyr · #2 December 11th, 2007, 01:57 AM

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FAJ said:
Blood Vengence + pheonix pyre + Reinvigorating equip.

If you can get there

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Well, after just getting my head handed to me by a few of FAJ's SC's I have to agree with him.

Shovah32 · #3 December 11th, 2007, 04:08 AM

You really have to love tartarians with great picks.
If you can get a D3F2 tartarian with either A2 or S2(+skullcap) then you can have a raiding soul vortex/phoenix pyre which, to a certain extent, gets rid of the problem DrP mentioned(being unkillable to being killed too much) because not every enemy force will be 'really serious opposition', atleast to your phoenix pyre guy, but sometimes an unexpected problem will come up and he will die - and then explode and reappear elsewhere on the battlefield.

He will stick get a load of afflictions if he does die, but the phoenix pyre is often more life insurance than anything else.

KissBlade · #4 December 11th, 2007, 05:30 AM

Phoenix Pyre doesn't really pay off to script. Your Thugs shouldn't be dying against what you fight anyway. Soul Vortex is a safe lock, fire shield being the main fire path buff. Outside of immortal chassis, I rarely find Phoenix Pyre a worthwhile buff.

Micah · #5 December 11th, 2007, 05:52 AM

I never have an SC/thug cast Pyre with the intent to rely on it to save them, but I think it's well worth the turn it takes to cast to cut down on accidents. I've seen enough instances of a beaten SC blowing up and then successfully fleeing to live another day to underestimate the spell's usefulness, and in most cases the script slot isn't urgently needed elsewhere.

Endoperez · #6 December 11th, 2007, 10:56 AM

If Soul Vortex is bad, what is good then? Quickness was mentioned. What about the air buffs, Air Shield/Mirror Image/Mistform? I've always wondered if Mirror Image is worth it at Air 1, or if more Air is needed to really benefit.

Also, when is regeneration worth it? 20 hp? 30, 50? Especially as a spell. Fatigue is bad, regeneration is good - is regen always worth the fatigue. I realize that there aren't that many thuggable Nature mages, but still...

Szumo · #7 December 11th, 2007, 12:44 PM

Soul Vortex is good because it will keep your thug at 0 fatigue when fighting live units.
Mistform is definitely worth it.