Which nations most represent chaos or evil?

[Kristoffer O]

Remember the Jotuns. They are evil per definition as enemies of the vanir (who in turn have no qualms on enslaving humans and other lesser beings).

I did not have the intention to do 'evil' or 'good' nations, but it might be fun to speculate in how evil a nation actually is. I have an easier time to see an 'evil' nation, since evil is in the eye of the beholder. Behold Mictlan and see what teh europeens saw in Mexico, and said it was evil. Any nation with connections to supernatural forces unfriendly to humans might be considered evil from a human perspective. The eye of the beholder works less well on 'good' nations. The 'great satan' of the rethoric of the late Ayatollah Khomeini considers itself to be the 'good' nation and 'defender of the free', even though many would argue the point. Swedes might consider sweden a nation of good sionce we have the secon highest tax pressure in the world and therefore have a good social security net (or whatever it is called). But Saudiarabia have income taxes at 2.5 % (not in the 50'es of sweden) and has is even lower hospital treatment costs than sweden. They cut the the hands of thieves, which might be percieved as cruel.

Hmm, I lost focus

Since most nations are humans I think the nations directly hostile to humanity qualify as evil. Abysia, Mictlan, LA Ermor, Niefelheim, Lanka, Fomoria, Yomi, Shinuyama.

Vanheim, Helheim, Bandar Log, C'tis might be considered evil in the sense that they care little for humans, but C'tis at least have had friendly contacts with Ermor in earlier ages and is probably considered ancient instead of evil.

Pangaea is definitely evil as a force opposed to civilization. At least in the earlier ages. That assumption might make EA Ulm evil as well, since they are opposed to the ermorian civilization, hope of humanity.

Hmm, is it the culture of the nations we are speaking, or their leader or their God? Culturally LA Ulm might be nice, but their leaders possibly evil.

Interesting poll though

[Sombre]

Are shinuyama directly hostile to humans?

[Kristoffer O]

Not more than in a cannibalistic ands hedonistic sense.

Edit: dai bakemono are probably less so, being bound by honor. Shuten doji, o-bakemono and bakemono-sho are definitely hostile to men/man-eaters. Kappas are more capricious. Some like to drown humans and suck their entrails out, while others can be friendly.

[Herode]

Then they are not hostile, just tasters.

Since most nations are humans I think the nations directly hostile to humanity qualify as evil. Abysia, Mictlan, LA Ermor, Niefelheim, Lanka, Fomoria, Yomi, Shinuyama.

Hmmmm... How could Mictlan be hostile to humanity ? they are part of humanity.

[Kristoffer O]

Perhaps by taking slaves and sacrificing other humans to appease their god, but OTOH it might be their god that is always hostile to humanity and not the nation.

LA Mictlan are toads and not humans

[sector24]

I think MA C'tis gets an honorable mention for chaos/evil. Even though their dominion doesn't kill population in the game, I imagine the miasma as an extremely hazardous event from a peasant's point of view. Maybe not evil in the "I starve kittens" kind of way, but perhaps evil in the way R'lyeh is evil.

(It's the apostrophe in their name that makes them treat humans so poorly)

[Cheezeninja]

The only two nations I view as truly evil are LA Ermor and R'lyeh, if victorious both essentially mean the end of all life on the planet.

I'm not sure where I get the distinction, but I marked EA Abysia as evil but not Mictlan. I wouldn't call Mictlan good either, but it's a nation of mere humans trying to survive against all sorts of nasties whereas Abysia was created by the direct intervention of creatures commonly thought to be inherently evil, and is still ruled by their descendants to this day. Also the focus on S in addition to B doesn't bode well for the future should they win.

[CUnknown]

Ryleh is totally evil, they starve kittens with the worst of them. Mind control? Calling C'thulu forth from the abyss? They are among the worst of the races, imo.

EA Ulm is a good nation, I have to disagree with KO. They are barbaric and opposed to civilization, but that's why they're good!

EA Pangea is also good, imo. They sacrifice virgins and destroy stuff in fits of bloodlust, but hey, wild nature demands blood sacrifice, and that stuff probably needed to be destroyed anyway.

I would say that MA or LA Marignon is among the worst of the nations as well. I know they summon angels and are very pious and relgious, but god doesn't everyone hate those kind of people. They are nazis.

I think good v evil is mostly a matter of opinion in this game, which is one reason why it is so cool.

[Herode]

LA Mictlan are toads and not humans

So what ? You don't like toads, you racist

I neither encourage the overcriticism against C'tis MA. OK, they stink, but they do not stink in an hostile mood. It's just the way they are. No offense intended. Fate, just fate... And also, the eternal rules of heterogeneous ecosystems competition. OK, I won't be happy having C'tis as a neighbour, me human. But neither will I having any neighbour at all as in Dom III (and many other games) your neighbours just appear to have a compulsive behaviour leading them to invade your own territories.

Ho well, after all, maybe evil is just another word for the guy in the next floor'

[Randvek]

A pity the poll looks for chaos or evil. I mean, Pangaea is all about chaos, and LA Ermor is all about evil, but I wouldn't put them on the same playing field.