Time for a poll. (The subject is abuse)

[lch]

Cerlin said:
I mean if things like this make people not want to play anymore, and shrink the community, that is bad.

I think I can name at least three people that I removed from the playing community myself, and the actual number is probably even higher.

quantum_mechani said:
I've put my two cents in on this before, but in my opinion anything that can be accomplished through the basic game interface and is not specifically outlawed by the host is fair game.

+1

Don't hate the players, hate the game!

[Xietor]

In my EH II Game, the rules on the 1st page state:

"Two notable exploits that will also be banned;

1. If you capture bogus and his Dark Knight, you can script those captured units to attack mages, but you cannot copy their "attack mage" orders to other commanders.

2. You cannot cast battlefield enchantments that cause damage to enemy units, then retreat the casting mage before 5 rounds of combat passes. In other words, if you cast Wrathful Skies, you cannot order that mage to retreat before 5 turns has passed(your last available scripting order can be retreat)."

So it is always a good thing to set out what is banned before players sign up. If someone wants an everything goes game, they can look elsewhere.

While flooding a player's lab with slave collars etc is not listed, this is obviously abuse and if it occurred in a game I hosted the offending player would be removed for a sub, or his race set to AI.

Edit: Velusion's Rules:

• Using the copy/paste orders + Bogus to target commanders with non-Bogus leaders.
• Spamming items to another player with the intent of filling up their lab so that their forgings will fail.
• Casting a battlefield wide spell continuous spell with a mage and then immediately running away - causing the spell to last forever. This is on Edi's list but is difficult to avoid. The comprise: All mages that cast a battlefield wide enchantment need to stay on the battlefield for 5 complete turns. The very last order can be to retreat.

[lch]

Xietor said:
While flooding a player's lab with slave collars etc is not listed, this is obviously abuse and if it occurred in a game I hosted the offending player would be removed for a sub, or his race set to AI.

I'd thank him for the supply of slave collars, put it on indy commanders and send them against his mage-backed armies...

[LoloMo]

lch said:

I'd thank him for the supply of slave collars, put it on indy commanders and send them against his mage-backed armies...

This is the best answer so far!

[vfb]

LoloMo said:

This is the best answer so far!

Yeah, funny answer, except slave collars are never picked up in a battle. It's been tested.

[lch]

vfb said:
slave collars are never picked up in a battle. It's been tested.

Awww. And they're always so eager to ram a second Eye of Aiming in their head when they find one.

[VedalkenBear]

I find it interesting that people are against BF + Retreat. Perhaps it is the overall efficacy of the BF enchantments, but it is the only option for those who wish to fight 'elastically'; i.e., by giving ground and exhausting the enemy army.

I have never run into this myself, so I am not exactly sure what happens. From what people say in this thread, it sounds like the battle continues indefinitely. This is an issue with the game code, if so. If, however, the fight continues only until one side or the other is routed... I see no difficulty with this strategy.

Also, those who are against this strategy (especially the people who run the game and set house rules)... what happens if the caster breaks? Say I have a Caelian High Seraph who casts Wrathful Skies, and he is intended to stay in the battle the requisite amount of time. But the opponent causes him to break and run (flying) before that time. What happens in that situation from a game administration PoV? To throw it even more into a concern, what happens if someone deliberately puts this combo on a commander who has the Battle Fright affliction, thus making it more likely for said commander to flee?

As far as the rest are concerned... hacking files: bad! Abusing Bogus commands... bogus! Burying your opponent underneath a pile of useless items... pretty damn bad.

[Tuidjy]

> I'd thank him for the supply of slave collars, put it on indy commanders and send them against his mage-backed armies...

I know that you're a good player, so you shoudl be aware that:

1. On the turn it happens you will forge at best one item, possibly none.
2. The gems you paid will be lost.
3. Most players do not have 50 indy commanders standing around (75+gold per turn)
4. Slave collars can't be picked up post-battle, so all you'll do is give xpt.

If you want to thank people for that, you probably thank people for driving
over your foot.

[lch]

Tuidjy said:
> I'd thank him for the supply of slave collars, put it on indy commanders and send them against his mage-backed armies...

I know that you're a good player, so you shoudl be aware that:

No, I was joking. The slave collar thing is a purely theoretical construct. I doubt it has ever been encountered in any game, or ever will be for that matter.

[chrispedersen]

I'd like to hear more about what is meant by quickmoving slow troops. I consider that abusive..

why not have a standard.. like velusions or llama's. Some games will be open.. some will not - if everyone knows in advance no harm no foul.

But I'd be more interested in games without exploits. Newbies have enough problems learning the game as intended without having to learn the bugs as well.