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April 25th, 2002, 03:49 AM
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Re: SE4 Strategy - An Art or a Science?
quote: Originally posted by Taz-in-Space:
oleg, I know that T34 & KV1 were tanks
and believe IL-2 and Yak 1-9 were planes.
but you have me on Katusha!
For IL-2 check out these links (I'm not Oleg who programed the game, good luck to him )
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/ent...00/1698123.stm
http://www.il2sturmovik.com/
"Katusha" is a mobile short-range rocket launcher. Even though designed in WWII, it has a relevance to modern times:
http://www.iris.org.il/katyusha.htm
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April 25th, 2002, 04:08 AM
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Re: SE4 Strategy - An Art or a Science?
some very good Posts to this forum, if no one minds, I will add to the Stratagy&tactic website, it would be a shame for this forum to be lost.
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April 25th, 2002, 04:26 AM
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Re: SE4 Strategy - An Art or a Science?
Ther is a very good article about why Nazi Germany lost the war in www.wargamer.com . It had more to do with logistics than anything else. Very good read. And some of it could be used in SEIV.
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April 25th, 2002, 04:34 AM
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Re: SE4 Strategy - An Art or a Science?
Having a ally that can't fight worth crap is also a downer. One has to choose friends wisely.
(cough, cough, Italians)
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April 25th, 2002, 04:52 AM
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Re: SE4 Strategy - An Art or a Science?
Good point. consider the French in WWII, of for that matter Italy during this time frame. In terms of SEIV they would have been lost except for a huge economic base, that was at least a year in gearing up, i would love for a WWII bases scenerio, perhaps in SEV.
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April 25th, 2002, 05:07 AM
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Re: SE4 Strategy - An Art or a Science?
quote: Originally posted by Mudshark:
Ther is a very good article about why Nazi Germany lost the war in www.wargamer.com . It had more to do with logistics than anything else. Very good read. And some of it could be used in SEIV.
Can you please give a direct link ? wargamer.com is a vast site, I got lost
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April 25th, 2002, 05:33 AM
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Re: SE4 Strategy - An Art or a Science?
Oleg, you are correct. None the less, it points to a failure in "Art" not "Science".
I did not question the intellect of anyone. I pointed out the failed execution of the science.
I know quite a bit about T34-76's, T34-85's, KV-I and II's. etc. A lot of surplus WWII equipment was used in the 50's in Korea and the Mid East. Stalin's Organs were used within the Last decade in the Mid East.
I may have a slanted view of world history, but not of the equipment, strategy, and tactics that were used.
Different example: The French had superior technology than the Germans. Gun for Gun, Tank for Tank, the equipment was 10 to 15 percent better than the German equipment. They lost when the used it as infantry support. To me that is "Art". They used it wrong. The rest is History.
Yes, I have over simplyfied and nor to I pretend to be an expert. These are just observations I have made and conclusions I have drawn.
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