Ich's Games

[lch]

WraithLord said:
I think the MP community needs to have a hosts hall of fame (and shame) where hosts are measured by the number of games they actually hosted to the end.

I won't go into more graphic vocabulary like I'd want to, but let me just say that I think that this is a bad idea. Not just because it would affect me, but in general, it's just as bad an idea as a "Hall of Shame" about players is a bad idea. Why do people try to bring this up again and again? Is it you specifically, WraithLord? Just drop it.

That the server went down was a disaster which wasn't foreseen and which shouldn't have happened. But as much as natural catastrophes are an "act of god" which you can't do anything about, the same is true for what happened here. The other servers that you mentioned did not experience a blackout like that. How do you know if the situation would look any different, what gives you the right to say that they're "better" in any sense? If the llamaserver suddenly burst into flames or if Pashadawg suddenly tripped in front of a train, those games would be lost, too. I think that I always went to great lengths for the players in my games. What I learned was that I should do even more extensive backups than I did. That's a lesson learned. I wouldn't understand or accept any judgmental behavior on this, though.

[ano]

I didn't take part in any of these games but it doesn't matter actually as I'd just like to say what I think about this.
Generally, I agree with Ich. Hosting is a big responsibility and this responsibility is normally based on pure enthusiasm so it's a bit rude, IMO, to blame someone for not foretelling the disaster and thus not backuping all games on local computer.
I hosted PBEM dom games several times and I may say that it is very unpleasant when someone starts annoyingly blame you if anything accidentally goes a bit wrong. However, I always found the means to deal with such people).
Also I think that you shouldn't mix up disaster with laziness or something. If the host just suddenly disappears with no callback when you know for sure that he is fine and visits forums from time to time than this is irresponsibility and impoliteness. I can say no good about such people (I met such things several times). But this has nothing to do with the case when a host (probably) just made a (not obvious) mistake. This should be understood and forgiven.

[WraithLord]

My original proposition (hosts hall of shame) was flawed. It was pointed out earlier at this thread and I've seen the error in it. I've even stated as much in an earlier post. So Ich, your response on this was not necessary.

Let me say it again clearly, Hall of shame for host is a bad idea.

Now, a sticky thread with the list of active hosts and some statistics (how many games hosted etc) will be quite helpful IMO. This thread can also serve the hosts as well to post messages to their players like "my server caught fire so X, Y, Z games are lost".

[lch]

WraithLord said:
My original proposition (hosts hall of shame) was flawed. It was pointed out earlier at this thread and I've seen the error in it. I've even stated as much in an earlier post. So Ich, your response on this was not necessary.

I didn't read this thread before I started to give replies. I read it from the top down and replied to the posts when I felt like I should comment on them. Since you didn't edit out / delete your proposition, I feel just as eligible to reply to it now as if I'd have done it one week earlier. If you give me input then you should expect feedback on it.

WraithLord said:
Now, a sticky thread with the list of active hosts and some statistics (how many games hosted etc) will be quite helpful IMO. This thread can also serve the hosts as well to post messages to their players like "my server caught fire so X, Y, Z games are lost".

That's not a bad idea, but I think that it would quickly join the ranks of the countless other not-being-updated and obsolete threads around the forums here. Feel free to do it.

[Gandalf Parker]

wouldnt that be the top sticky that is already in the MP forum?

[JimMorrison]

Nonsense Gandalf! That uhhh, oh the top sticky? The one about MP hosts? That's silly to think that should be used to keeping track of MP hosts.

[WraithLord]

Ich, That's perfectly cool. And since I'm already in the mood of stating what should be clear - then I want you to know that I appreciate your contribution to this community.

Gandalf, do you mean the sticky thread named "Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor"?- Maybe this could work but the thread name should change to reflect the additional information regarding host. Also, If I were to update it, I don't think I'll be able to edit its first post anyway. In any case I think a new thread would be clearer.

Ich, I'm willing to keep such a thread updated. I suggest the procedure used by the MP hall of honor, meaning, hosts will post what game/s they're hosting (with links) and update whenever one of their games is over. I'll gather that information and post it in the following format:
host, # current games, # completed games
Current games list:
1. link 2 game1
2. link 2 game2
...
Messages from host:
Experiencing technical issues with server. All games are suspended.

[Gandalf Parker]

Uhhhh no.
I mean the top sticky.
The one called "MP Servers list "