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[JimMorrison]

You know, all things considered..... As favorable a position as I have in this game, I'd be in favor of a restart, if it looked like a good idea. I'm not going to push for it, just saying that if the majority of the players are in favor, OR are AWOL, then maybe we should do it. It sucks to even think about, this late in the game, but I think if there were enough problems that a lot of people have dropped out (or just had their position made irrelevant due to inadvertent stales), we might have a nicer game if we had a full roster of players.

<3

[johnarryn]

I am opposed to a restart. I don't know what has been causing all of the complained-of problems and delays. I have not been having any trouble keeping up with turns, and have not felt confused by the hosting system. I certainly don't mean to minimize other people's complaints, but it seems to me that most of my neighbors in the game have also been playing actively and have kept up.

[Calahan]

A re-start would certainly solve a lot of problems, but probably create too many new ones in the process, mostly in the 'bad feelings' department. So I'd personally vote no for a re-start

Several players appear to have had some problems at various stages, me, and Ulm's former incumbent being amongst them. I'm just sad that some of them could have been avoided with a simple message or two.

My only request for this game is that the stalling nations are sorted out ASAP (3-4 nations stalled last turn, and roughly the same number since turn 16). It's not going to make for a very fair game if some nations are playing a genuine game, battling it out with 'active' neighbours, while other nations are simply waltzing through undefended lands, and possibly being on the verge of securing themselves a second capital or too.

It's also not exactly clear what's going on with regards hosting either. Since 'chrispedersen' posted that the game would be paused to allow comments, but the game then continued to host on schedule. I'm just finding a few things that are going on slightly confusing.

[chrispedersen]

Hey Calahan (and interested others)

Friday John(I believe) requested delay till monday due to death. I complied, and the game was set to monday.

Monday, Griefor said that he wasn't able to process a turn. I paused the game (24 hours) to allow him to work that out. I heard no additional messages from him.

When you notified that you staled, I did the same thing, I announced that I was pausing the game for comment. The game went from hosting in 2 hours, to hosting in 24.

No one made any comments during that time period or requests in that time period.

I know for my part that I haven't attacked sauromatia specifically because I didn't know what griefor was going to do. But I agree with your suggestion that we sort out the stalling nations and set them to AI. I will do that, without objection, when I get home.

Who is/isn't staling?

[Calahan]

Hi Chris

Thanks for clearing up some of the things that went on.

Don't know exactly who has stalled and when over the recent turns, but my best guesses for who has are:-

Abysia - Very sure they've stalled turns 16, 17, 18. And like I said above, if 'effeDom' is supposed to be controlling them, then he's already stated on another thread ('FreshMeat') that he's moving plus has tech issues.

C'tis - Pretty sure they've stalled turns 17, 18, and guessing turn 16 as well. 'Electro808' is down as controlling them, and his last post on any forum was on 20th June (during the turn re-doing issues). Maybe PM him and see if he's still playing.

I know for definite that one other nation stalled on turn 17, (I saw the status page with a minute to go, and remember seeing three red boxes) but I can't be sure who else it was. I think it was either Marverni or Agartha. All the other nations seem to be actively playing (apart from the four mentioned here).

Do you get any info regarding who's stalled as host? If so you probably have more accurate info than me on who has been stalling. Maybe delay the game for 24hrs to PM all those who have stalled to see if they're still playing. Then either turn AI any orphan nation that has stalled for 3 turns in a row, or delay a further 24hrs to look for subs, and then AI any nations that remain orphan after that.

All the above of course is provided people agree with it :-) and if anyone is reading this who is controlling one of the above four nations, then please post a message saying whether or not you are active in this game.

[Xox]

I am not positve, but I think abyssia did a turn in the last three turns, they took an indie provionce. At least I thought they did.

XOX

[chrispedersen]

abysia has missed one, and 2 of last 4
marvnie missed last one
ctis missed last 4
agartha missed 3
griefor has missed 4, and due to problems I don't think will restart.

I believe that agartha and ctis are being conquered. I wish that someone had gone AI. So in keeping with the ai after 2, unless someone says something (quickly) I will AI ctis, argath, and sauro.

[effeDom]

well sorry for not getting back to you yesterday, but, i had no problem with this game (technically), i played the 2 turns up til yesterday, though i was forced to miss a turn because i came up to north spain to stay with a friend and until just now we couldnt get my computer working with his internet (router problem, but just fixed it)...

so i stalled last turn but the turns before that were no problem, however I do see that ive been put on AI already so considering that is unchangable, oh well
the technical problem i was having was only with that other MP game that i was starting. thanks for investigating though as I seem to be a bit unreliable on putting in turns everyday, i think i will opt out of playing any serious MPs until i really get situated with a job and living permanently somewhere again soon hehe

i wasnt expecting to lose connectivity for the remainder of this game, because I'd still be in spain (just in bilbao, now) for the next 2 weeks or so and it looked like abysia would be dead by then anyway regardless of what i do, or even game close to a finish....

i opted out of the other game because i didnt want to start up a new one, not knowing if id have every-day connectivity about a month from now.

anyhow.
good luck the rest of you on the rest of this game, looks like its going to be over soon anyhow.