The Bogarus Problem

[Micah]

"and an SC God is just an investment that ends the instant that someone...gets a Fear-based Assassin to cause him to route during an Assassination attempt."

You're clearly talking about fear mechanics there, not general rout.

You also vastly underestimate the difficulty of killing a properly cared for SC.

But how about this, instead of arguing over theory why don't we play a few duels? Caelum seems like a good rush nation to play against with their mammoths, but that's just a suggestion. We can swap off playing as Bogarus and see who fares better. Willing to step up and test your scale build?

[Sombre]

Yes he was talking about fear mechanics. I have no idea why he'd seriously try and pretend he wasn't.

But are you sure fear doesn't effect 30 morale creatures Micah? I might test this tomorrow.

[DrPraetorious]

I should add that I agree with Micah - this is in many ways a 4X game, and getting an awake SC is a good way to bootstrap into some early expansion as Bogarus.

To an extent, I also agree with K - this SC God does not answer the question of what you do when someone rushes you (die), but nothing about having an awake SC God prevents you from using your national forces and priests, if those will be sufficient to blunt the rush, you'll probably have more of them on turn 12 with a SC than with super-scales; this is especially true as you can afford an awake SC and still have positive scales.

Consider the obvious:
Awake Dom 10 Prince of Death, Earth 3, Death 5
Order 3, Sloth 1, Cold 3, Growth 1, Misf 2, Magic 1

vs the king of scales:
Imprisoned Dom 7 Forge Lord, Fire 4, Water 3, Earth 3
Order 3, Prod 3, Cold 3, Growth 3, Misf 1, Magic 1

Now this guy is a *fantastic* God. He's got great scales, a forge bonus, he makes rune smashers and earth items and staves of elemental mastery all for cheap.

Fact remains - in a MP game, I'm taking the awake SC God every time.

[Micah]

Sombre said:
Yes he was talking about fear mechanics. I have no idea why he'd seriously try and pretend he wasn't.

But are you sure fear doesn't effect 30 morale creatures Micah? I might test this tomorrow.

I made 2 D10 cyclops since it was the easiest way to get a bunch of fear quickly and had them swing away at each other for a battle, they lasted the full 50 rounds before the attacker ran away, so I'm pretty sure. I just added 3 behemoths to one side and didn't get a rout, nor did his morale number drop off of 30. QM said there might be some weird situations where it might work (spells maybe?) but it seems quite rare at best and likely impossible. Certainly not something a single assassin could trigger.