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August 7th, 2008, 09:20 PM
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Second Lieutenant
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Join Date: Jan 2007
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Re: \"Stasis\" - strange diplomacy
Karnoza was definitely speaking about Oceania, not Ryleh. I have had dealings with Seej (Oceania) before, when he broke a NAP in a previous game. I've never met a more untrustworthy player; he seems to take delight in breaking his treaties. A duck should trust a scorpion before you place faith in one of Seej's pacts.
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August 7th, 2008, 09:34 PM
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Lieutenant Colonel
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Join Date: May 2007
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Re: \"Stasis\" - strange diplomacy
Wow! Maybe it's worth tracking the "untrustworthy" people by adding them to some black list...
I doubt karnoza could have known about that...
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August 7th, 2008, 11:33 PM
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Second Lieutenant
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Re: \"Stasis\" - strange diplomacy
I like the list thing. Maybe we should start a thread listing those dishonorable people and their offenses. 
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August 8th, 2008, 05:58 AM
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Second Lieutenant
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Re: \"Stasis\" - strange diplomacy
Peaceful nation of Pythium is now open to trade. We can forge the following items, among others:
Air boosters (helmet, bag)
Staff of storm
Water booster (bracelet, robe)
Astral booster (cap)
Ring of Soccery
Ring of Wizardry
Frost Brand
Price will be reasonable. Please inquire by PM.
Thanks for your attention.
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August 8th, 2008, 03:03 PM
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Corporal
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Re: \"Stasis\" - strange diplomacy
Hi all,
I wanted to answer the charges. First, yes I attacked Ulm this turn.
Second, I am sending him back his 400 gold for last turn.
For what its worth, I had not intended to keep that $$. Third, there was no warning-ahead clause on our NAP, so I gave none.
Rest easy, oh neighbors of mine with whom I *do* have notification clauses.
CJ
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August 8th, 2008, 04:19 PM
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Second Lieutenant
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Re: \"Stasis\" - strange diplomacy
Isn't the whole purpose of NAP to get some warnings ahead?
What is the difference between "no warning-ahead clause NAP" and no NAP at all? It seems to me that both are attacking at will.
Can someone explain this for me?
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August 8th, 2008, 04:35 PM
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Lieutenant General
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Join Date: May 2008
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Re: \"Stasis\" - strange diplomacy
Quote:
konming said:
Ring of Soccery
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Know to some nations as the "Ring of Futbol". >.>
And I've never heard of a NAP0, that is indeed like no nap at all.  In my experience, it is universally accepted that unless otherwise specified, the standard duration of the NAP is 3 turns between notice, and attack.
Not that I am entirely fond of Ulm in this game. 
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August 8th, 2008, 04:40 PM
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Second Lieutenant
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Re: \"Stasis\" - strange diplomacy
Yessir, Ulm must die!
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August 8th, 2008, 06:52 PM
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BANNED USER
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Join Date: May 2004
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Re: \"Stasis\" - strange diplomacy
Regarding the list thing:
Search the postings.. there was a very long posting about this that devolved into a flame war.
My own attempt in this got locked. Some players do not want a list generated.
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August 8th, 2008, 06:57 PM
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Re: \"Stasis\" - strange diplomacy
I'd like to introduce a new term into Dominions Lexicon.
Its based on reverse dutch auctions, and known in american parlance as either reverse dutch or reverse chinese. However, to keep jingoism out of it, I'd like to just call it a reverse nap.
Here is the definition:
Both sides enter into a NAP with an agreed upon term, such as NAP +3 - which would normally be that there is peace for three turns AFTER the turn of notification.
So, a Reverse NAP is this:
The side that is *notified* may take any actions it deems fit, immediately, upon notification.
The side deciding to end the NAP, must wait the agreed upon time.
This makes it a disadvantage to break the NAP, and hence a little bit stronger than a traditional NAP.
Whatdya think?
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